What do people think of this? Any coppers here policed it? Thought I'd go and check it out yesterday for the first time, tick it off the list. OK, a big carnival (converted buses/lorries, with people in fancy dress following behind with loud music, chanting, dancing etc, not really my thing so underwhelming, but I thought I'd see what the fuss given the media attention, popularity and crowded tube trains). Over the years, it only got my attention because of news items such as how many stabbings & arrests were made. But 2 things stood out that aren't shown on the TV (apparently) or in the newspapers: the gutters along most of the route were full of rubbish - don't think I saw any bins (intentional?), some garden walls must have had piles of rubbish (food leftovers, bottles etc) about 2ft high. And then there were the main routes - all but one or two shops in the high st were boarded up, some boards had graffiti on them. Interesting toilet facilities - the men's were big plastic mouldings which could accommodate 4 at a time, pissing in each corner, out in the open air. Overall impression was it was pretty seedy, not sure if these things make money, but this one must have certainly cost what with £6m to police it and the loss of trade through so many shops having to close for the day, and board their premises. Do the the shops get compensated for this? Is this carnival seen as beneficial or is it a case of tolerating it in case there's a riot?