Not very sporting but illegal?

#1
Having no meat to put on hte table I am about to head out in pursuit of something's flesh.

The options are rifl or shotgun. I have decided on the .22 rifle as rabbit is most likely and the ranges are more than 30 yards usually.

Now if I happen across a duck or pheasant and think: "Stuff it - it's dinner! To hell with the sporting ethos" what legislation would apply?

I reckon only a possible breach of the conditions on my FAC "vermin / fox / ground game"....



Thoughts?
 
#2
Need to know basis bud
 

Longlenny

War Hero
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#3
Taking game without a licence? Trespass in search of game? Just two immediate thoughts. Was done for both of the 'offences' some years ago. The pheasent tasted well tho!
 
#4
Where are you shooting? Private land, common ground, England Wales or Scotland?

I live on a sporting estate up in Scotch-land and if a phesant happens to wander onto my land, I can shoot it, if in season. Totally legitimate.

Since the estate has its own phesant rearing pens some 20 yards from the end of my garden, I eat a lot of phesant! ;)

Deer are a different matter. I would not be allowed to shoot if on my land, BUT, I could run it over with my Landy and my partner could pick it up and throw it in the back of her car :)

As for Ducks..no idea i am afraid.
 
#6
Water Foul - must be shot with toxic free (steel shot / Shotgun) if shot withing wetlands (theory is - if you miss, no poison left laying about)
 
#7
Longlenny said:
Taking game without a licence? Trespass in search of game? Just two immediate thoughts. Was done for both of the 'offences' some years ago. The pheasent tasted well tho!
Have a read of this, you use to need a licence to shoot game but don't anymore, you would of course need permission to be on the land and take the game. However where you stand with your FAC I don't know, a quick call from a with-held number to your Force Licencing Department may help but they may not know either and lie to you.
 
#8
As duck or pheasant are in season no problems on that score. I'm in England so the "lead free shot for waterfowl" rule applies on any land even miles from any water.

Specifically hte point is: Is there anything to prevent shooting of game birds with a rifle? I reckon not.
 
#9
Rincewind said:
Water Foul - must be shot with toxic free (steel shot / Shotgun) if shot withing wetlands (theory is - if you miss, no poison left laying about)
Not strictly true, as the legislation is even more restrictive than this. In effect if you are in England and Wales you cannot use lead on a duck or goose ANYWHERE.

In Scotland you can still use lead on wildfowl over "dry" areas, such as stubbles etc.

All the gubbins here.

Edited to acknowledge STAB beat me to it - that's what happens when you have to attend to some real work halfway through writing a post!

HF
 
#10
I can't find any restriction on shooting game with a rifle, the un-written rule being that you need to use a weapon which is up to the job. I've found some references to magazine capacity, in that you're not allowed to use a rifle with a capacity of more than 2 rounds however can't find any further information to back this up.

Speak to the BASC, they know everything there is to know!
 
#13
You can shoot Game birds with a rifle, not sure about water fowl. We go around end of season knocking over the Cock birds with the Keeper. Just be carful of the 'poaching' side of things. You get a keen keeper, and he catches you, they don't like it. Why not introduce yourself to the shoot close to your ground do a bit of beating for him let the keeper know your worth, offer to shoot his foxs etc and good things will happen. Plus you get a brace of birds at the end of the day. I live off the stuff in the winter.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#14
If you cull waterfowl including Canadas (out of season allowed under general license) it has to be with non toxic shot. Game licenses are no more in England and wales. Goose tastes fine taken with 6.5 allegedly!
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
ugly said:
If you cull waterfowl including Canadas (out of season allowed under general license) it has to be with non toxic shot. Game licenses are no more in England and wales. Goose tastes fine taken with 6.5 allegedly!
I hope that wasn't allegedly knocked over with a jacketed soft-point - that's toxic that is! :D
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#16
Toxic likely to kill any faster than 2700 foot pounds of expanding energy?
 
#17
EX_STAB said:
Having no meat to put on hte table I am about to head out in pursuit of something's flesh.

The options are rifl or shotgun. I have decided on the .22 rifle as rabbit is most likely and the ranges are more than 30 yards usually.

Now if I happen across a duck or pheasant and think: "Stuff it - it's dinner! To hell with the sporting ethos" what legislation would apply?

I reckon only a possible breach of the conditions on my FAC "vermin / fox / ground game"....



Thoughts?
I have just had to jump through the hoops for a FAC renewal and been asked a few searching questions by the FA Officer.

He asked if I could shoot either pheasant or Partridge with a rifle............by the book answer, only if your conditions allow. Does it say 'Game Birds' or Ground game which is far more common.

Each Officer gives a different answer dependent on their view.

My FAC was varied to include the phrase 'Vermin and any Lawful Quarry' which will cover off the legal aspect.

I am NOT the police or the expert but wouldn't hurt to apply for the variation as mentioned. Seems like TVP are taking a fairly sensible approach to weapons use.

After all, the FA Officer said if you were out with your .308 and after a deer and the conditions allowed only for deer, then Charlie walks past, we realistically know you will take it out. Hence the change to Lawful Quarry. If not when out on the estate I would probably need to carry three weapons to cover all eventualities. Not a particularly practical move.

Having said that, if the animal/bird was injured, what weapon would you use to put it out of it's misery? I was advised that provided I did not cause the original injury with an inappropriate weapon then ANY weapon may be used to Kill it. I asked for that in writing and they provided it without a qualm. That would also cover it off to some extent.

Either way, phone them and ask, ask them to write back with the response if positive and it gives you that get out of jail free card if you need it. Either that or move to Henley on Thames area and deal with a sensible fire arms officer.

Do remember this is my opinion and not necessarily accurate for the force area you come under.

570
 
#18
570mils said:
EX_STAB said:
Having no meat to put on hte table I am about to head out in pursuit of something's flesh.

The options are rifl or shotgun. I have decided on the .22 rifle as rabbit is most likely and the ranges are more than 30 yards usually.

Now if I happen across a duck or pheasant and think: "Stuff it - it's dinner! To hell with the sporting ethos" what legislation would apply?

I reckon only a possible breach of the conditions on my FAC "vermin / fox / ground game"....



Thoughts?
I have just had to jump through the hoops for a FAC renewal and been asked a few searching questions by the FA Officer.

He asked if I could shoot either pheasant or Partridge with a rifle............by the book answer, only if your conditions allow. Does it say 'Game Birds' or Ground game which is far more common.

Each Officer gives a different answer dependent on their view.

My FAC was varied to include the phrase 'Vermin and any Lawful Quarry' which will cover off the legal aspect.

I am NOT the police or the expert but wouldn't hurt to apply for the variation as mentioned. Seems like TVP are taking a fairly sensible approach to weapons use.

After all, the FA Officer said if you were out with your .308 and after a deer and the conditions allowed only for deer, then Charlie walks past, we realistically know you will take it out. Hence the change to Lawful Quarry. If not when out on the estate I would probably need to carry three weapons to cover all eventualities. Not a particularly practical move.

Having said that, if the animal/bird was injured, what weapon would you use to put it out of it's misery? I was advised that provided I did not cause the original injury with an inappropriate weapon then ANY weapon may be used to Kill it. I asked for that in writing and they provided it without a qualm. That would also cover it off to some extent.

Either way, phone them and ask, ask them to write back with the response if positive and it gives you that get out of jail free card if you need it. Either that or move to Henley on Thames area and deal with a sensible fire arms officer.

Do remember this is my opinion and not necessarily accurate for the force area you come under.

570
Interesting. Not sure the new numpty we've now got will be so sensible - going from my dealings with him so far I'd say not but we live in Hope
 

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