Not one to moan but.......

#1
This probably flies in the face of current thinking. But does anyone think it would be a good idea to disband the TA altogether? The regular army and most of the general public (the ones who think of us as a "Dads Army" type thing) seem to doubt our ability, so what is the real point in having us? I have just filled in an application for a job, in the hobbies bit I listed among other things "TA". In the "Previous Employment" section I listed being mobilised for three out of the last four years. This will no doubt be the kiss of death for this application, even though I have years of experience in the type of work I am applying for.

Suppose my question is...

Should I lie on application forms for full time employment?

Leave the TA and concentrate on civilian employment?

I should add as well, I am not in favour of the current cuts to the regular army and increasing the reserves. Its a dodgy plan and at some point will bite us as a nation, in the arse!!
 
#2
Tis tricky given that the likely hood of us being mobilised in the future is pretty slim (H20?) it does sort of beg the question 'whats the point?'. However I suppose it's an angle to use when applying as it snt really a lie, depends how much you want to stay in
 
#7
The whole TA reborn as AR business is the obvious answer to a situation we're in, namely where

a) We're skint
b) We're going to pack in all this expeditionary warfare bollocks because of a
c) you'll be mobilizing the army less because of b, in turn because of a.

Did I mention we're skint?

So rebuilding the TA/AR/BrokeArmy in god's own image isn't going to *ever* be funded properly even if it's imagined so it's actually not as risky a strategy so long as you stick to point b of the plan.

Problem is can the government bank on avoiding staying out of Operation Can't I Just ******* Nuke 'em World Wide Global Freedom (hold the fries) and the ensuing Operation Tatooine Cluster ****, the NATO codename for the American Sidekick invasion of Iran. I doubt it.
 
#8
This probably flies in the face of current thinking. But does anyone think it would be a good idea to disband the TA altogether? The regular army and most of the general public (the ones who think of us as a "Dads Army" type thing) seem to doubt our ability, so what is the real point in having us? I have just filled in an application for a job, in the hobbies bit I listed among other things "TA". In the "Previous Employment" section I listed being mobilised for three out of the last four years. This will no doubt be the kiss of death for this application, even though I have years of experience in the type of work I am applying for.

Suppose my question is...

Should I lie on application forms for full time employment?

Leave the TA and concentrate on civilian employment?

I should add as well, I am not in favour of the current cuts to the regular army and increasing the reserves. Its a dodgy plan and at some point will bite us as a nation, in the arse!!

Its going to take one hell of a lot or reorganising of things outside the Army to make this one work. They surely can't just rely on the goodwill of employers - they'll have to legislate to mandate.

Plus, how do you lure potentials. The TA has to recruit approximately 100% of its current manpower. It has to double in size, but what's the carrot? In the modern world, money talks, but if they speculate will they necessarily accumulate? Will they break even or take a loss. I think setting up all the conditions and putting in place compensation mechanisms is going to prove pretty costly and it will be years upon years before it pays for itself. But that's just an opinion on the face of it. I imagine they had answered every possible scenario based question they could think of. Or I'd certainly like to hope they have.
 
#10
Don't lie about your service, just put down Army instead of TA - it'll explain the career gap and doesn't let you fall into the Gareth filter. (and if you use linkedin, don't put a picture of you on in uniform, not for OPSEC but it's a obvious walt/stab indicator)

Explain your responsibilities accurately and don't go into army 'small penis syndrome'
 
#11
Its going to take one hell of a lot or reorganising of things outside the Army to make this one work. They surely can't just rely on the goodwill of employers - they'll have to legislate to mandate.

Plus, how do you lure potentials. The TA has to recruit approximately 100% of its current manpower. It has to double in size , but what's the carrot? In the modern world, money talks, but if they speculate will they necessarily accumulate? Will they break even or take a loss. I think setting up all the conditions and putting in place compensation mechanisms is going to prove pretty costly and it will be years upon years before it pays for itself. But that's just an opinion on the face of it. I imagine they had answered every possible scenario based question they could think of. Or I'd certainly like to hope they have.

Not before it has reveiwed what it has got already and ruthlessly cut out deadwood - non attenders, bed blocking SNCOs, Ruperts that are there for the social life and stopped it from becoming a rest home for ex Regs that fancy some pocket money and easy respect in civvy life. That has to be the priority. Prune it so it can grow.

Only then will you have a core of decent troops to form the basis of an AR with operationally experienced and enthusiastic JNCOs promoted into now vacant SNCO roles. Only then will you be changing the TA's image and only then will you get the recruits of the calibre you need to fulfill the AR Terms of Reference for the future.

Want a better image? Then **** off the ones that are cocking the image up
 
#12
Not before it has reveiwed what it has got already and ruthlessly cut out deadwood - non attenders, bed blocking SNCOs, Ruperts that are there for the social life and stopped it from becoming a rest home for ex Regs that fancy some pocket money and easy respect in civvy life. That has to be the priority. Prune it so it can grow.

Only then will you have a core of decent troops to form the basis of an AR with operationally experienced and enthusiastic JNCOs promoted into now vacant SNCO roles. Only then will you be changing the TA's image and only then will you get the recruits of the calibre you need to fulfill the AR Terms of Reference for the future.

Want a better image? Then **** off the ones that are cocking the image up
i concur, but the Army isn't allowed to be so selective as all that. It is bound by rules of correctness is it not. That's why redundancies are done according to criteria other than judgement of competence and suitability. It's done according to cold statistics isn't it and whoever applies. They should just ruthlessly get rid of whoever is shit, Stalin-style, but can they do that in the modern world?
 
#14
So what about those that are to fat or idle to do their PFT/AFT do they now do it or leave?
And if the TA is replaced by the more modern Army Reserve will the Regular army view them any better?
Or is it a case of once a STAB always a STAB
 
#15
i concur, but the Army isn't allowed to be so selective as all that. It is bound by rules of correctness is it not. That's why redundancies are done according to criteria other than judgement of competence and suitability. It's done according to cold statistics isn't it and whoever applies. They should just ruthlessly get rid of whoever is shit, Stalin-style, but can they do that in the modern world?
If they don't it will be a bodge. A new Model Army built on crap foundations

But, as it's a numbers game and Hammond will want to show the plan works I have no doubt the hodge will happen. He won't have to fix it and he knows that
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
Shame a lot of the old TA centres were sold off so reducing the potential recruiting foot print.
RC
hundreds of them, lots of the smaller army barracks as well so the community link has been well and truly broken for a few housing estates.

not that they were all in the best of nick mind before posts start coming in about how crap they were but its interesting how you can wander around a small town and find an old TA MT set up or drill hall with nothing to do.
 
#17
If they don't it will be a bodge. A new Model Army built on crap foundations

But, as it's a numbers game and Hammond will want to show the plan works I have no doubt the hodge will happen. He won't have to fix it and he knows that
You're right - he does know that. And come the election after next, should the plan fail, his party will use it as a stick to beat the other party with (less there is a continuing Tory government).

It is a radical idea though.
 

Latest Threads