Not awight - what really happened at Michael Barrymore's gaff.

One way to check if he drowned would be to go back and look at the histology taken at the time and check for diatoms in the lungs, but we can't.
A lot of people think that they know what happened. A few of us do.
 
One way to check if he drowned would be to go back and look at the histology taken at the time and check for diatoms in the lungs, but we can't.
A lot of people think that they know what happened. A few of us do.
Please explain how that applies to a domestic, chemically treated pool. I may be missing something.
 
Please explain how that applies to a domestic, chemically treated pool. I may be missing something.
In a chlorine treated pool the diatom count should be low and compared with the count from the lungs, other tissues and any other bodies of nearby water.
No lung samples were taken as the witnesses claimed to police that Stuart was found in the pool. This was relayed to the pathologist, who took it as gospel and didn't investigate further.
 
In a chlorine treated pool the diatom count should be low and compared with the count from the lungs, other tissues and any other bodies of nearby water.
No lung samples were taken as the witnesses claimed to police that Stuart was found in the pool. This was relayed to the pathologist, who took it as gospel and didn't investigate further.
So diatoms would tell **** all, but pulmonary edema might.

Just asking.
 
Diatoms would tell if was alive when he went in the pool.
I may be wrong, and I often am, but the diatoms are an indication of the place the drowning occurred, that is where they entered the water and took the fatal lung full.
 
I may be wrong, and I often am, but the diatoms are an indication of the place the drowning occurred, that is where they entered the water and took the fatal lung full.
None were taken, no lung samples were, that's the point. There's no histology to go back an check, to see if or where he didn't drown or if he was asphyxiated.

Feel free to believe what you wish. I was there.
 
I may be wrong, and I often am, but the diatoms are an indication of the place the drowning occurred, that is where they entered the water and took the fatal lung full.
I know nothing about such things - but it seems to me that this is death bags point - had they been checked it would have been determined if he drowned in the pool or not

I have to say im somewhat confused as I would have thought they would have conducted an autopsy to determine cause of death and so if the conclusion was drowned - im not sure what explanation other than in the pool is likely
 
None were taken, no lung samples were, that's the point. There's no histology to go back an check, to see if or where he didn't drown or if he was asphyxiated.

Feel free to believe what you wish. I was there.
I'm not doubting anything, in fact I know nothing about this case. I was merely asking questions in my normal arrse mode.
 
Saw him on tele recently. Doing that shite that my wife likes...dancing on ice.

Apparently, he fell and broke his arm. Personally, I like to think some of the crew gave him a kicking, or refused to work with the (alleged but likely) murderer. The knut.

In other news, Prince Andrew to take over safeguarding lead for the NSPCC, Megan isn't manipulative and Prince Harry, or as he's now known, Harry, doesn't think with his dick.
 
I know nothing about such things - but it seems to me that this is death bags point - had they been checked it would have been determined if he drowned in the pool or not

I have to say im somewhat confused as I would have thought they would have conducted an autopsy to determine cause of death and so if the conclusion was drowned - im not sure what explanation other than in the pool is likely
I probably didn't explain.
The witnesses called the police to say that Stuart was found in the pool.
The police arrive and find Stuart at the side of the pool.
The police tell the pathologist that he drowned in the pool and they find him on the side of the pool.
The pathologist assumes the police have done their enquiries and he had drowned. Drugs and alcohol in his system, simple case of drowning.
 
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Stuart also had abrasions on the back of both scapulae (shoulder blades) from where he was asphyxiated and held down in a choke hold on a bed and petaechial haemorrhages in his eyelids from the asphyxiation.
 
Stuart also had abrasions on the back of both scapulae (shoulder blades) from where he was asphyxiated and held down in a choke hold on a bed and petaechial haemorrhages in his eyelids from the asphyxiation.
Apart from all the damming evidence and the presence of a corpse with obvious sexual trauma, Barimore doesn't seem to know what all the fuss is about. The knut.
 

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I watched the documentary last night.

Pretty tragic all round really. I don’t think anyone set out that night to murder bum some bloke and dump him in a pool.

Barrymore was the highest paid bloke on telly and a national treasure. Was he really gonna risk it all by raping / murdering some no mark when he had the whole of the gay community queuing up to suck him off?

Even if it was one of the other people at the party, what possible reason would Barrymore have for protecting them and keeping quiet all these years? Likewise if it was Barrymore, why have the others stayed quiet and protected him?

Also what was Lubbock doing there in the first place? You get invited back to an openly gay bloke’s house party who you’ve never met before, at 2am. They’re not going back to play chess and watch old black and white movies.

Looks to me like a classic case of a naive bloke doing way too much party dust, agreeing to do some nasty stuff while completely off his tits to impress the big boys and dying of a heart attack in the process.

I can personally attest to the effectiveness of cocaine and MDMA making women lose all their inhibitions, so why not men? Especially ones who might be a little bit bi and starstruck by a friendly famous bloke who’s been gratuitous enough to invite you to a party at his house?

Top tip: you ever want to get a slag to do ****, give her a bit of chico and watch how quickly she turns from a princess into a pornstar.

In my learned opinion, Lubbock imbibed a little too freely on the free refreshments, got passed around like a bottle of prison moonshine, sustaining a few injuries along the way and died of a massive heart attack.

Then everyone panicked and tried to cover it up by making it look like a drowning.

Surprisingly more common than you’d think. By all accounts deaths like this are a regular occurrence at certain “saunas” and the like.
 
simple, arrest the PA and charge him with tampering with a crime scene then try to put everything on him and he'll crumble like a cadburys flake.

the only other truth revealed is that tabloid reporters are complete cnuts through and through.
The problem with that is that the everyone (police included) who came onto the crime scene assumed it was suicide, trampled, moved and removed evidence. So you could not conclusively prove who had moved/removed something.

I have not seen the programme, but I heard the producer interviewed on Jeremy Vine t'other day. He talked about the crime scene clean up, and potential removal of evidence. For example, a large, phallic shaped pool thermometer that could possibly have been covered with contained dna and fingerprint evidence. The thermometer was always at/in the pool and then suddenly it was gone.

Interesting point put forward on the radio: There were only 8 people there, just arrest them all and charge them all with murder, remand them all in custody and see who squeals, someone always does.
 

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