Not a UK citizen....its OK, no problem, you can still vote!

#1
It seems that citizens of the 53 other commonwealth countries can vote in the forthcoming election so long as they're resident and have leave to remain. See http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/who_can_register_to_vote.aspx

So, you don't even need to be a UK citizen to vote. I know first hand that this isn't a reciprocal arrangement. Fcuking disgrace if you ask me............this makes my blood boil and compared to most on this forum I'm a bleeding leftie.......... :evil:
 
#2
If they are Commonwealth citizens who have chosen to live in the UK and they are officially resident then why on earth should they not be allowed to vote?
 

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#3
If they pay some UK Taxes (like many middle class parents do when they retire to Australia for example) then they can retain the right to vote.

You pay for your vote - you get to vote.
 
#4
mysteron said:
If they pay some UK Taxes (like many middle class parents do when they retire to Australia for example) then they can retain the right to vote.

You pay for your vote - you get to vote.
Your implication is that they started as UK CITIZENS before moving to Australia. In that case, yes, they should absolutely be allowed to vote.

If they're Australian citizens living in the UK, then they should NOT be allowed to vote unless they hold dual citizenship.

As a commonwealth (UK) citizen, with full leave to remain in Australia, but NOT an Australian citizen at the time........I was NOT allowed to vote in Australia.

That's my problem with this.
 
#5
AFA06 said:
If they are Commonwealth citizens who have chosen to live in the UK and they are officially resident then why on earth should they not be allowed to vote?
Two reasons:

One, they're NOT UK CITIZENS; and

Two, the rules aren't reciprocal in other commonwealth countries.

Residence and citizenship are two VERY different things.
 
#6
Commonwealth, resident and leave to remain? and I presume therefore economically active? I'd trust them with a vote far more readily than the extended mrs, mr, mr, mr and mr untermensch extended-child-benefits-factory-family who are UK citizens and not actively supporting society.
 
#7
Wasn't there a German recently standing for Westminster on the basis of residence. Didn't have British nationality, but could stand as it would be illegal not to allow an EU citizen to do so?
 

Cutaway

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#8
Banker said:
AFA06 said:
If they are Commonwealth citizens who have chosen to live in the UK and they are officially resident then why on earth should they not be allowed to vote?
Two reasons:

One, they're NOT UK CITIZENS; and

Two, the rules aren't reciprocal in other commonwealth countries.

Residence and citizenship are two VERY different things.

It used to be so in South Africa, oddly enough before the RSA was permitted to return to the Commonwealth.

These days of course only registered members of the ANC may vote, plus a handful of others.
 
#9
cometcatcher said:
Commonwealth, resident and leave to remain? and I presume therefore economically active? I'd trust them with a vote far more readily than the extended mrs, mr, mr, mr and mr untermensch extended-child-benefits-factory-family who are UK citizens and not actively supporting society.
I concur. Surely during purdah, the official outrage bus can't be used for electioneering?
 
#10
Bazzinho1977 said:
cometcatcher said:
Commonwealth, resident and leave to remain? and I presume therefore economically active? I'd trust them with a vote far more readily than the extended mrs, mr, mr, mr and mr untermensch extended-child-benefits-factory-family who are UK citizens and not actively supporting society.
I concur. Surely during purdah, the official outrage bus can't be used for electioneering?
You're stretching credulity a bit far there...........look at the list of countries.
 
#11
CaptainPlume said:
Wasn't there a German recently standing for Westminster on the basis of residence. Didn't have British nationality, but could stand as it would be illegal not to allow an EU citizen to do so?
For national office?

Don't think so somehow. Unless they have changed the law very recently.
You can stand for local/county elections and vote if you are an EU citizen with residency but not for national stuff.
 
#12
I personally know of people who are on the electorial roll and are not qualified to be on it, even with the changes brought in by more recent amendments. I believe it is quite widespread.

Happens for two reasons, one is they don't read the (not so small ) print on the forms and stick their names on anyway when the form comes through the letter-box.

Secondly, it gives a form of legitimacy if you lack it, enables to to get credit checked and so on, if your name is on the electoral roll.

There appears to be little checking done by the local authority who compile the lists.

Apart from facilitating fraud, it has an another, equally perturbing side to it.

Jurors are picked from the electoral roll and from what I've seen from my stint as an Outer London juror, it results in a number of people being called for jury service who have little comprehension of English; not a good thing for a juror, understanding neither the interchanges in court or the requirement for impartiality of the jury.
 
#13
Banker said:
AFA06 said:
If they are Commonwealth citizens who have chosen to live in the UK and they are officially resident then why on earth should they not be allowed to vote?
Two reasons:

One, they're NOT UK CITIZENS; and

Two, the rules aren't reciprocal in other commonwealth countries.

Residence and citizenship are two VERY different things.
Sorry, you missed my point. I merely asked why a person who is a commonwealth citizen and who officially lives in the UK should not be allowed to vote for a future government. I was not comparing the UK with the wider commonwealth and their rules nor was I misunderstanding the status of resident/citizen.
 
#14
AFA06 said:
Banker said:
AFA06 said:
If they are Commonwealth citizens who have chosen to live in the UK and they are officially resident then why on earth should they not be allowed to vote?
Two reasons:

One, they're NOT UK CITIZENS; and

Two, the rules aren't reciprocal in other commonwealth countries.

Residence and citizenship are two VERY different things.
Sorry, you missed my point. I merely asked why a person who is a commonwealth citizen and who officially lives in the UK should not be allowed to vote for a future government. I was not comparing the UK with the wider commonwealth and their rules nor was I misunderstanding the status of resident/citizen.
Why should non uk citizens be eligible to vote? Or are you saying that all tax paying residents should be allowed to vote?

I am not against the idea of anyone who pays tax gets to vote so long as those that don't pay are likewise refused the vote.
 
#15
Tawahi-50 said:
I personally know of people who are on the electorial roll and are not qualified to be on it, even with the changes brought in by more recent amendments. I believe it is quite widespread.

Happens for two reasons, one is they don't read the (not so small ) print on the forms and stick their names on anyway when the form comes through the letter-box.

Secondly, it gives a form of legitimacy if you lack it, enables to to get credit checked and so on, if your name is on the electoral roll.

There appears to be little checking done by the local authority who compile the lists.

Apart from facilitating fraud, it has an another, equally perturbing side to it.

Jurors are picked from the electoral roll and from what I've seen from my stint as an Outer London juror, it results in a number of people being called for jury service who have little comprehension of English; not a good thing for a juror, understanding neither the interchanges in court or the requirement for impartiality of the jury.
You raise an interesting point. I always thought you had to register on the electoral roll because that was how Council Tax was worked out.
I'm of the opinion that if you're working here and paying your taxes here then should should have the right to a say in who governs you unless you retain the right to vote in your country of origin in which case you should be allowed to vote in one country only.
 
#16
If they're working and paying taxes in addition, I don't see the problem. For example, my missus has been here long enough to qualify for citizenship, but would have to give up her PRC passport if she took it - that would make life slightly more awkward when she goes home, so she's chosen not to.

She hasn't shown any interest in UK politics in the time we've been together, but since she pays a shit-load of tax and NI and has done since she got her Masters, I don't see anything wrong in giving her a say in how it's spent. I'm far more annoyed at the career jobless having their say at the ballot box, TBH.
 
#17
Steven said:
AFA06 said:
Banker said:
AFA06 said:
If they are Commonwealth citizens who have chosen to live in the UK and they are officially resident then why on earth should they not be allowed to vote?
Two reasons:

One, they're NOT UK CITIZENS; and

Two, the rules aren't reciprocal in other commonwealth countries.

Residence and citizenship are two VERY different things.
Sorry, you missed my point. I merely asked why a person who is a commonwealth citizen and who officially lives in the UK should not be allowed to vote for a future government. I was not comparing the UK with the wider commonwealth and their rules nor was I misunderstanding the status of resident/citizen.
Why should non uk citizens be eligible to vote? Or are you saying that all tax paying residents should be allowed to vote?

I am not against the idea of anyone who pays tax gets to vote so long as those that don't pay are likewise refused the vote.
I just think that if a person has made a life decision to move to the UK, made their life here and are contributing to our economy then they have as much right to vote as one who holds citizenship.

And don't get me onto the subject of the right to vote of the unemployed etc, that is a whole different subject!
 
#18
Banker said:
Bazzinho1977 said:
cometcatcher said:
Commonwealth, resident and leave to remain? and I presume therefore economically active? I'd trust them with a vote far more readily than the extended mrs, mr, mr, mr and mr untermensch extended-child-benefits-factory-family who are UK citizens and not actively supporting society.
I concur. Surely during purdah, the official outrage bus can't be used for electioneering?
You're stretching credulity a bit far there...........look at the list of countries.
I'll bite. How does this correlate with http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=147443.html ? 98% of new jobs go to foreigners
 
#19
AFA06 said:
Banker said:
AFA06 said:
If they are Commonwealth citizens who have chosen to live in the UK and they are officially resident then why on earth should they not be allowed to vote?
Two reasons:

One, they're NOT UK CITIZENS; and

Two, the rules aren't reciprocal in other commonwealth countries.

Residence and citizenship are two VERY different things.
Sorry, you missed my point. I merely asked why a person who is a commonwealth citizen and who officially lives in the UK should not be allowed to vote for a future government. I was not comparing the UK with the wider commonwealth and their rules nor was I misunderstanding the status of resident/citizen.
Presumably you vote here AFA06 but do you still have the right to vote in the Tynwald? Is your case either/or?
 
#20
Markintime said:
AFA06 said:
Banker said:
AFA06 said:
If they are Commonwealth citizens who have chosen to live in the UK and they are officially resident then why on earth should they not be allowed to vote?
Two reasons:

One, they're NOT UK CITIZENS; and

Two, the rules aren't reciprocal in other commonwealth countries.

Residence and citizenship are two VERY different things.
Sorry, you missed my point. I merely asked why a person who is a commonwealth citizen and who officially lives in the UK should not be allowed to vote for a future government. I was not comparing the UK with the wider commonwealth and their rules nor was I misunderstanding the status of resident/citizen.
Presumably you vote here AFA06 but do you still have the right to vote in the Tynwald? Is your case either/or?
I can vote in the Tynwald and in UK elections, although any vote in Tynwald is about as much use as voting in a new unit/NAAFI rep!!
 

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