Not a shock but its here today

#1
Arrived today, no suprise though
1. The County, along with the rest of the ACF/CCF, TA and UOTCs, have today been directed to implement certain savings measures designed to mitigate the in-year overspend for the Army. Much of the information is now available on the internet, well in advance of the chain of command’s briefing. This has made it necessary for me to inform you of the facts much earlier than I would have liked (there is still much that requires clarification) in order to prevent extravagant rumours from being started.

2. It will come as no surprise that, despite previous assurances by the Government that the ACF will remain unscathed, the ACF are, indeed, affected significantly. Nonetheless, these measures have come as a bolt out of the blue and take effect immediately.

AREAS OF TRAINING AFFECTED

a. ACF briefings and conferences.

b. Non-essential adult training.

c. All adventurous training less basic proficiency courses for adult instructors.

d. Week-end cadet training which would normally attract T&S and PTDs.

4. The following activities may continue and will attract T&S support, but PTDs will not be paid:

a. Routine evening training in the detachment.


5. The following activities will not attract T&S support or PTDs:

a. Planning conferences.

b. Public relations courses.

c. 50% of Adventurous Training. (This appears to contradict para 2c and therefore requires clarification.)

ACTIVITIES WHICH MAY CONTINUE

6. ACFs are to maintain, in order of priority:

a. Routine unpaid ACF Cadet activity.

b. Within Brigades and CTC, continue the induction and training of newly recruited adults and the further training and qualification of other adults so that cadets may be trained safely. Specifically this must be focussed on those basic low-level training qualifications which enable basic cadet training rather than those specialist courses which only benefit the few.

c. Continue with Brigade week-end concentrations which deliver a high value return in the form of multiple adult instructor training qualifications.

d. Driver training (D1 licence).

e. Contribution to the tri-service Cadet150 launch in Feb 2010.

f. Specified national training and events for which T&S will be granted but not PTDs.

g. Planned regional Cadet 150 events. Not funded at present.

h. Courses which award qualifications towards BTEC.
 
#2
Truly heart-warming to see that while the Government pumps untold millions towards the feckless, lazy and disinterested youth, it looks to make tiny savings from an worthwhile organisation full of decent kids. What wonderful times we live in.
 
#3
Please forgive the following slight change to an excellent post:

Truly heart-warming to see that while the Government pumps untold millions towards the feckless, lazy and disinterested youth, it looks to make tiny savings from an worthwhile organisation full of decent kids quite a few of whom were feckless, lazy, and disinterested before they became cadets. What wonderful times we live in.
 
#4
abeaumont said:
Please forgive the following slight change to an excellent post:

Truly heart-warming to see that while the Government pumps untold millions towards the feckless, lazy and disinterested youth, it looks to make tiny savings from an worthwhile organisation full of decent kids quite a few of whom were feckless, lazy, and disinterested before they became cadets
...and some of who will become bored with yet another camp or activity cancelled and will quit to become feckless, lazy and disinterested again, as it seems to be what the government wants them to be...
 
#5
wedge35 said:
Truly heart-warming to see that while the Government pumps untold millions towards the feckless, lazy and disinterested youth, it looks to make tiny savings from an worthwhile organisation full of decent kids. What wonderful times we live in.
yeah i saw in the paper today that a council somewhere gives asylum seeking youths £25 PER WEEK 'pocket money' to help them learn to use english currency!

£100 PER FECKING MONTH TO EACH ASYLUM SEEKER TO SPEND ON FAGS AND NIKE TRAINERS WHILE BRITISH FAMILIES STRUGGLE TO PAY THE BILLS AND THE CADET FORCES GET NO FINANCE!

apparently there's 44000 cadets. If each of those was given £100 a month towards cadet activites (not fags and nikes) then this organisation would £4.5m a month to work with.

But nah - asylum seekers deserve it far more.
 
#6
therealbigdizzle said:
wedge35 said:
Truly heart-warming to see that while the Government pumps untold millions towards the feckless, lazy and disinterested youth, it looks to make tiny savings from an worthwhile organisation full of decent kids. What wonderful times we live in.
yeah i saw in the paper today that a council somewhere gives asylum seeking youths £25 PER WEEK 'pocket money' to help them learn to use english currency!

£100 PER FECKING MONTH TO EACH ASYLUM SEEKER TO SPEND ON FAGS AND NIKE TRAINERS WHILE BRITISH FAMILIES STRUGGLE TO PAY THE BILLS AND THE CADET FORCES GET NO FINANCE!

apparently there's 44000 cadets. If each of those was given £100 a month towards cadet activites (not fags and nikes) then this organisation would £4.5m a month to work with.

But nah - asylum seekers deserve it far more.
Isn't that £4.4 million.............. lol
 
#9
im not lying!

the 5 button is right next to the 4.
 
#10
so based on this ...

the frimley courses will continue?

At unit level no adult training ?

No weekends for the cadets ?

The AT stuff is unpaid same as the TA ?

The cut in adult nice to have courses is no real surprise and neither is the AT stuff and all the PR "look at me "expenditure.

But cutting cadets weekend training is a shame.(Would imagine this will mean no more weekends for the rest of the financial year.)

But the TA have copped the same pill so was to be expected!

The rugby club will be pleased !
 
#11
therealbigdizzle said:
wedge35 said:
Truly heart-warming to see that while the Government pumps untold millions towards the feckless, lazy and disinterested youth, it looks to make tiny savings from an worthwhile organisation full of decent kids. What wonderful times we live in.
yeah i saw in the paper today that a council somewhere gives asylum seeking youths £25 PER WEEK 'pocket money' to help them learn to use english currency!

£100 PER FECKING MONTH TO EACH ASYLUM SEEKER TO SPEND ON FAGS AND NIKE TRAINERS WHILE BRITISH FAMILIES STRUGGLE TO PAY THE BILLS AND THE CADET FORCES GET NO FINANCE!

apparently there's 44000 cadets. If each of those was given £100 a month towards cadet activites (not fags and nikes) then this organisation would £4.5m a month to work with.

But nah - asylum seekers deserve it far more.
Did it ever occur to you that HM Forces and sponsored cadet organisations are funded by HM Govt and that councils raise revenue via Council Tax and therefore do not fund HM Forces or cadet organisations?

Your little rant is akin to complaining that you don't get paid your best mate's salary on top of your own every time he goes out to work.

If you are going to rant, it helps not to make yourself look utterly stupid by make points that are irrelevant.
 
#12
woopert said:
therealbigdizzle said:
wedge35 said:
Truly heart-warming to see that while the Government pumps untold millions towards the feckless, lazy and disinterested youth, it looks to make tiny savings from an worthwhile organisation full of decent kids. What wonderful times we live in.
yeah i saw in the paper today that a council somewhere gives asylum seeking youths £25 PER WEEK 'pocket money' to help them learn to use english currency!

£100 PER FECKING MONTH TO EACH ASYLUM SEEKER TO SPEND ON FAGS AND NIKE TRAINERS WHILE BRITISH FAMILIES STRUGGLE TO PAY THE BILLS AND THE CADET FORCES GET NO FINANCE!

apparently there's 44000 cadets. If each of those was given £100 a month towards cadet activites (not fags and nikes) then this organisation would £4.5m a month to work with.

But nah - asylum seekers deserve it far more.
Did it ever occur to you that HM Forces and sponsored cadet organisations are funded by HM Govt and that councils raise revenue via Council Tax and therefore do not fund HM Forces or cadet organisations?

Your little rant is akin to complaining that you don't get paid your best mate's salary on top of your own every time he goes out to work.

If you are going to rant, it helps not to make yourself look utterly stupid by make points that are irrelevant.
well if the council tax wasn't wasted on shite, it could be spent on things that national taxes pay for.

not to mention that many ACF detachments get much of their funding from the local council.
 
#13
As expected our county echoed......

No PTDS for the remainder of the financial year for weekend trg and internal /bde courses

Frimley courses will still be paid

home to duty travel expenses will still be paid for evening training
 
#14
static-line-pimp said:
As expected our county echoed......

No PTDS for the remainder of the financial year for weekend trg and internal /bde courses

Frimley courses will still be paid

home to duty travel expenses will still be paid for evening training
Im just curious to see about those adults who only just stag on for 2 weeks at annual camps, if they stick around!!
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#15
Do the adults get paid? That I wasnt aware off. Surely a youth organisation like the scouts doesnt pay its grown ups so why do the cadets?
 
#16
Ugly, adults can get paid for up to 21 days per year. Some put in far more days than that and never claim anyway.

Can anyone explain the bit about weekend training, though? Does that mean the weekend can still go ahead but no-one will get paid, or is the whole thing canned? We have a fieldcraft weekend coming up. I'm over my PTD allowance anyway, so I was never going to get paid for it, but will it now be canned? Given that the kids are paying for their own rations anyway? If so, there's no point in me collecting the last of their money...
 
#17
ugly said:
Do the adults get paid? That I wasnt aware off. Surely a youth organisation like the scouts doesnt pay its grown ups so why do the cadets?
Well, now we don't. And I wouldn't be surprised if we never were again.

Our pay is capped at 28 days. It is at a CFAV scale that starts at £56 a day for SIs and rises slightly for each rank. It is basic pay for the rank without any x factor. When you look at the hours we are often 'on duty' it works out at less than the national minimum wage of £5.80 an hour. Our pay is to defray costs incurred by volunteering. Not really an additional income. Add to that our status as casual (volunteer really) employees for the secretary of state for defence we cannot expect or demand minimum wage either. The rules for Commissioned Officers are different, but they don't earn much more than the NCO staff anyway.

We can't get enough staff as it is, removing pay from CFAVs would just give some another reason not to volunteer their time anymore. It wouldn't be THE sole reason.

The Scouts arent really a military themed organisation who have standards and expectations of their staff as a contractual obligation like CFAVs do. The liability and training requirements are not the same and the responsibility is much greater. Paying CFAVs puts us under the control of the MOD/RAF/Army

Personally, instead of PTDs I would prefer an annual efficiency and minimum attendance bounty instead of pay. But I fear it would be abused and we would lose some staff over it. And not neccessarily the inneficient or greedy ones either.
 
#18
old_sea_dog said:
Ugly, adults can get paid for up to 21 days per year. Some put in far more days than that and never claim anyway.

Can anyone explain the bit about weekend training, though? Does that mean the weekend can still go ahead but no-one will get paid, or is the whole thing canned? We have a fieldcraft weekend coming up. I'm over my PTD allowance anyway, so I was never going to get paid for it, but will it now be canned? Given that the kids are paying for their own rations anyway? If so, there's no point in me collecting the last of their money...
The cuts extend to the white fleet, hiring of ancillary vehicles and fuel. No doubt some counties won't have ORPs in store anymore either, especially so soon after annual camp. As for rations, the cadets payment is a contribution, not the full cost of the ration, and most dets pay for that themselves anyway. Pay aside, there may be no money for logistics required to run the weekend. Weekends have been cancelled in my sector already at very short notice, eg: Yesterday: Cpls cadre at County HQ this weekend cancelled 36hrs before it was due to start. The rationing has begun.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#19
Thanks for that, I hope I didnt come across as sarky I really didnt know!
I was approached to apply but I really dont have the time or the phys to do it any more!
 
#20
ugly said:
Thanks for that, I hope I didnt come across as sarky I really didnt know!
I was approached to apply but I really dont have the time or the phys to do it any more!
The phys is the least of your worries mate. Not everybody needs to be obstacle course qualified!

And I didnt detect any sarkyness in your post. A lot of people think we are unpaid like the scouts.
 

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