Not a good week for Generals of the Modern British Army

With the proviso that no-one in this squalid little tale comes out with any glory, why shouldn’t he offer the defence of intoxication? A common theme of rape allegations is that the female claims to be that drunk, she couldn’t have consented, therefore why not the opposite; he states he was that drunk, he didn’t know what was going on.

Surely if alcohol based amnesia is good for one, it’s good for all. I also bring to mind a similar case recently involving an RMP officer and some sexual shenanigans, are officers’ messes just frat houses now?

Memory jog:- BAOR About 1976-7ish. On guard duty. Part of the route was through the officers mess single accommodation block. Walking slowly along a deserted corridoor at silly O'clock in the morning, noises coming from a room, with its door open a few inches, an officer back scuttling the SSAFA sister. A hurried exit. I told no one. Same officers block. Again early hours, The guard was turned out to a fracas involving two very drunk young officers. Both taken into the guard room. RSM and duty officer called out.
 

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Officers.... walked pass their patch one day and got roped into a medical emergency.... some female (The Ack Adjt) was having a violent epilectic fit on a sun bed (Which I treated, well lubricated that sun bed was) none of the buggers had a single idea...... apart from grabbing the first squaddie walking by,
The Med centre was only 125 Metres away, even a basic private would have sent someone to the Med centre.
Unsurprised in the slightest. This is what happens when they pay lip service to MATT 3 or don't even bother turning up.
 
Drunkeness is always an aggravating factor in the commission of an offence.

Drunkeness is not, in and of itself, a crime. The current offence is

Unfitness or misconduct through alcohol or drugs
(1) A person subject to service law commits an offence if, due to the influence of alcohol or any drug–
(a) he is unfit to be entrusted with his duty or any duty which he might reasonably expect to be called upon to perform; or
(b) his behaviour is disorderly or likely to bring discredit to Her Majesty's forces.
(1A) For the purposes of subsection (1) a person is to be taken to be unfit to be entrusted with his duty, or a duty which he might reasonably expect to be called upon toperform,ifhisabilitytocarryoutthedutyinquestionis impaired.
(2)
(3)
Subsection(1)doesnotapplytotheinfluenceofadrugonaperson(“A”) if–
(a) the drug was taken or administered on medical advice and A complied with any directions given as part of that advice;
(b) the drug was taken or administered for a medicinal purpose, and A had no reason to believe that the drug might impair his ability to carry out the duties mentioned in subsection (1)(a) or (as the case may be) result in his behaving in a way mentioned in subsection (1)(b);
(c) the drug was taken on the orders of a superior officer of A; or
(d) the drug was administered to A on the orders of a superior officer of the person administering it.
In this section–
(a) “drug” includes any intoxicant other than alcohol;
(b) a person's “ behaviour” includes anything said by him.
(4)
(2) is to be treated as not having applied in relation to the defendant unless sufficient evidence is adduced to raise an issue as to whether it did.
Inproceedingsforanoffenceunderthissection,anyparagraphof subsection
(5) Apersonguiltyofanoffenceunderthissectionisliableto anypunishment mentioned in the Table in section 164, but any sentence of imprisonment imposed in respect of the offence must not exceed two years.

The female subaltern at that time of the offence - unless the Duty Officer - was not reasonably expected to conduct a duty.

The old barrack room reasoning of “you’re always on duty/should be ready to guard/blah” probably never existed, and certainly doesn’t under AFA06.
 
Drunkeness is always an aggravating factor in the commission of an offence.

Drunkeness is not, in and of itself, a crime. The current offence is




The female subaltern at that time of the offence - unless the Duty Officer - was not reasonably expected to conduct a duty.

The old barrack room reasoning of “you’re always on duty/should be ready to guard/blah” probably never existed, and certainly doesn’t under AFA06.
I don't think that is correct other than the replacement of 'drunkenness' for ' due to the influence of alcohol ' the offence to be charged under the AFA 2006 is easier to prove as you don't need to prove their drunkenness.

AFA 2006

(1) A person subject to service law commits an offence if, due to the influence of alcohol or any drug–
(a) he is unfit to be entrusted with his duty or any duty which he might reasonably expect to be called upon to perform; or
(b) his behaviour is disorderly or likely to bring discredit to Her Majesty's forces.

AA 1955

(2) For the purposes of this section a person is guilty of drunkenness if owing to the influence of alcohol or any drug, whether alone or in combination with any other circumstances, he is unfit to be entrusted with his duty or with any duty which he may be called upon to perform, or behaves in a disorderly manner or in any manner likely to bring discredit on Her Majesty's service.

So the old offence was drunkenness now it is misconduct through alcohol nothing else really changed.
 
Memory jog:- BAOR About 1976-7ish. On guard duty. Part of the route was through the officers mess single accommodation block. Walking slowly along a deserted corridoor at silly O'clock in the morning, noises coming from a room, with its door open a few inches, an officer back scuttling the SSAFA sister. A hurried exit. I told no one. Same officers block. Again early hours, The guard was turned out to a fracas involving two very drunk young officers. Both taken into the guard room. RSM and duty officer called out.
A different time warp, BAOR was a world unto itself. Heavens knows how any of us survived, and a fair few didn't as we sadly know -the demon drink and fast cars don't mix.
Behaviour in the single accommodation of most Regiments and Corps during that time was by today's standards well on the verge of lunacy when liberally mixed with booze.
Lest not even go there, as from the age of 18/19 many of us were living on borrowed time
 
A different time warp, BAOR was a world unto itself. Heavens knows how any of us survived, and a fair few didn't as we sadly know -the demon drink and fast cars don't mix.
Behaviour in the single accommodation of most Regiments and Corps during that time was by today's standards well on the verge of lunacy when liberally mixed with booze.
Lest not even go there, as from the age of 18/19 many of us were living on borrowed time

My bold. Two of our squadron were found dead in their radio wagon, carbon monoxide poisoning, the genny exhaust had somehow discharged under the cam net and hessian camo, when wet this is as good as a tarpaulin for trapping fumes. Another lad on secondment to NI, Within a week, dead, an IED under his FFR rover. One lad fell asleep at the wheel, into a ditch , and dead. RTA's accounted for many more, and the demon drink had a few hospitalised............... Different time,............. different world. BAOR 1976-1981.
 
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Drunkeness is always an aggravating factor in the commission of an offence.

Drunkeness is not, in and of itself, a crime. The current offence is




The female subaltern at that time of the offence - unless the Duty Officer - was not reasonably expected to conduct a duty.

The old barrack room reasoning of “you’re always on duty/should be ready to guard/blah” probably never existed, and certainly doesn’t under AFA06.
Section 1b covers it nicely...

Given the amount of princess petrol she must have put away why did her mates not look after her?

And given the amount he must have sunk, why did his mates or the PMC not ensure he got home safely?
 
Section 1b covers it nicely...

Given the amount of princess petrol she must have put away why did her mates not look after her?

And given the amount he must have sunk, why did his mates or the PMC not ensure he got home safely?
She was put into bed by a fellow female Officer, including being changed out of mess kit into pyjamas.
 
What's worse for his reputation though?
the rape allegation
being so terrible in bed the girl couldn't remember doing him
him whining about being the victim here...
I don't think he will be particularly bothered. Just glad he was found not guilty. I would have thought the young lady will now be on the local 'Danger F*ck' list, and that will follow her around, or precede her wherevever she goes.
 

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I don't think that is correct other than the replacement of 'drunkenness' for ' due to the influence of alcohol ' the offence to be charged under the AFA 2006 is easier to prove as you don't need to prove their drunkenness.

AFA 2006

(1) A person subject to service law commits an offence if, due to the influence of alcohol or any drug–
(a) he is unfit to be entrusted with his duty or any duty which he might reasonably expect to be called upon to perform; or
(b) his behaviour is disorderly or likely to bring discredit to Her Majesty's forces.

AA 1955

(2) For the purposes of this section a person is guilty of drunkenness if owing to the influence of alcohol or any drug, whether alone or in combination with any other circumstances, he is unfit to be entrusted with his duty or with any duty which he may be called upon to perform, or behaves in a disorderly manner or in any manner likely to bring discredit on Her Majesty's service.

So the old offence was drunkenness now it is misconduct through alcohol nothing else really changed.
Have a like merely for mentioning the Army Act 1955
 
She was put into bed by a fellow female Officer, including being changed out of mess kit into pyjamas.
And he fell out of the wardrobe claiming to be a German washing machine repair man?
 
Memory jog:- BAOR About 1976-7ish. On guard duty. Part of the route was through the officers mess single accommodation block. Walking slowly along a deserted corridoor at silly O'clock in the morning, noises coming from a room, with its door open a few inches, an officer back scuttling the SSAFA sister. A hurried exit. I told no one. Same officers block. Again early hours, The guard was turned out to a fracas involving two very drunk young officers. Both taken into the guard room. RSM and duty officer called out.
Were the two very drunk young officers fighting over whose turn it was to back scuttle the SSAFA sister?
 
I also bring to mind a similar case recently involving an RMP officer and some sexual shenanigans, are officers’ messes just frat houses now?
The late Colonel Bufton-Tufton 1 Loamshires always did say that it would turn into 'hell in a handcart' once they allowed women into the mess.
 
The late Colonel Bufton-Tufton 1 Loamshires always did say that it would turn into 'hell in a handcart' once they allowed women into the mess.
Christ, is that gen? They'll be giving them the vote next. Herrrummpph!!

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Christ, is that gen? They'll be giving them the vote next. Herrrummpph!!

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Whatever you do, don't let them drive!
 

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