Norwegian NH90 problems

Yokel

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2018 article

Norway has concluded that its on-order fleet of NH Industries NH90 naval helicopters will not deliver sufficient flight hours to perform the roles originally intended for the 11t-class rotorcraft and recommends that all are converted to the anti-submarine warfare mission.

To be operated by the Royal Norwegian Air Force, 14 NH90s were selected in 2001: six to undertake frigate-based ASW operations and eight for the search and rescue and fisheries and border protection role for the coastguard.

Oslo says that to meet the requirements for both the navy and coastguard, it needs 5,400 flight hours a year from the entire fleet. But an analysis performed by the armed forces suggests that availability is only 2,100h a year.


Why teh shortfall in hours? Does @PhotEx have the answer?
 
2018 article

Norway has concluded that its on-order fleet of NH Industries NH90 naval helicopters will not deliver sufficient flight hours to perform the roles originally intended for the 11t-class rotorcraft and recommends that all are converted to the anti-submarine warfare mission.

To be operated by the Royal Norwegian Air Force, 14 NH90s were selected in 2001: six to undertake frigate-based ASW operations and eight for the search and rescue and fisheries and border protection role for the coastguard.

Oslo says that to meet the requirements for both the navy and coastguard, it needs 5,400 flight hours a year from the entire fleet. But an analysis performed by the armed forces suggests that availability is only 2,100h a year.


Why teh shortfall in hours? Does @PhotEx have the answer?

Must be wrong, 5400 hours for 14 aircraft is 385 hours per aircraft which is 1.05 hours per day. Nothing you would pay for is that incapable?
 
Does @PhotEx have the answer?
If the answer is: ”Because Eurotrash, should have bought American where it would have been available 27hours a day, 8 days a week and cost an order of magnitude less. But the Russians would still have done it better using drones”
Then probably.
 

PhotEx

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2018 article

Norway has concluded that its on-order fleet of NH Industries NH90 naval helicopters will not deliver sufficient flight hours to perform the roles originally intended for the 11t-class rotorcraft and recommends that all are converted to the anti-submarine warfare mission.

To be operated by the Royal Norwegian Air Force, 14 NH90s were selected in 2001: six to undertake frigate-based ASW operations and eight for the search and rescue and fisheries and border protection role for the coastguard.

Oslo says that to meet the requirements for both the navy and coastguard, it needs 5,400 flight hours a year from the entire fleet. But an analysis performed by the armed forces suggests that availability is only 2,100h a year.


Why teh shortfall in hours? Does @PhotEx have the answer?

yep, they should have bought the vastly superior SH/MH60.
Danes are properly delighted with theirs, especially their very high 90’s availability percentage.


EH-101/NH-90 = both very badly designed Euro hanger queens that don’t do what they are supposed to do.

now, about the stubbornly low, @50% availability of the Merlin after 2 decades service and endless tinkering......
 
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yep, they should have bought the vastly superior SH/MH60.
Danes are properly delighted with theirs, especially their very high 90’s availability percentage.


EH-101/NH-90 = both very badly designed Euro hanger queens that don’t do what they are supposed to do.

now, about the stubbornly low, @50% availability of the Merlin after 2 decades service and endless tinkering......
You like the SH60? Fark I wouldnt have guessed!

I do agree, if your are not French who have to build everything to retain sovereign capability, why the hell would you not buy a proven platform instead of a Euro white horse if you dont have a dog in the race?

Europe, mainly France and then Germany need a good fking slap, every day, for any and every reason.
 

PhotEx

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You like the SH60? Fark I wouldnt have guessed!

I do agree, if your are not French who have to build everything to retain sovereign capability, why the hell would you not buy a proven platform instead of a Euro white horse if you dont have a dog in the race?

Europe, mainly France and then Germany need a good fking slap, every day, for any and every reason.

two common threads with medium military helicopters these days....

people who get UH/MH/SH-60’s all think they are bloody ace. A proper butch helicopter designed by people who fully understand what its for and how to design one. No one who operates them looks longingly at the NH-90.

people who get NH-90’s invariable enter a vale of tears and wonder what they did to deserve such an utter POS. Everyone who ends up with them looks longingly at the UH/MH/SH-60.

The Europeans should stick to making VIP helicopters
 
2018 article

Norway has concluded that its on-order fleet of NH Industries NH90 naval helicopters will not deliver sufficient flight hours to perform the roles originally intended for the 11t-class rotorcraft and recommends that all are converted to the anti-submarine warfare mission.

To be operated by the Royal Norwegian Air Force, 14 NH90s were selected in 2001: six to undertake frigate-based ASW operations and eight for the search and rescue and fisheries and border protection role for the coastguard.

Oslo says that to meet the requirements for both the navy and coastguard, it needs 5,400 flight hours a year from the entire fleet. But an analysis performed by the armed forces suggests that availability is only 2,100h a year.


Why teh shortfall in hours? Does @PhotEx have the answer?
Only half the story.
 

Yokel

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PhotEx

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Oh dear, Yokels upset again.

hint, everyone who operates the NH-90 has the same problems, that’s called a ‘design flaw’.
 

Yokel

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Are you suggesting that Sikorsky aircraft do not need spares?
 

Yokel

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Is there anyone who can provide a proper insight? How many hours maintenance is needed per flight hour for each type? Someone must know - @Raven2008 perhaps?

Is one of the things over overlooked is that the Americans do procurement differently - parts and spares are Government supplied.
 
two common threads with medium military helicopters these days....

people who get UH/MH/SH-60’s all think they are bloody ace. A proper butch helicopter designed by people who fully understand what its for and how to design one. No one who operates them looks longingly at the NH-90.

people who get NH-90’s invariable enter a vale of tears and wonder what they did to deserve such an utter POS. Everyone who ends up with them looks longingly at the UH/MH/SH-60.

The Europeans should stick to making VIP helicopters

Apart from the fact UH 60s crash with somewhat alarming regularity

 

PhotEx

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Is there anyone who can provide a proper insight? How many hours maintenance is needed per flight hour for each type? Someone must know - @Raven2008 perhaps?

Is one of the things over overlooked is that the Americans do procurement differently - parts and spares are Government supplied.

The hourly rate for Wildcat and SH-60R are both @5,000
problem is, the Wildcats in £ and the Romeo is in $
Merlin? Reassuringly and eye wateringly expensive.
 

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