Norwegian Frigate Collision, Trident Juncture

[alfred_the_great]

If you want an eye-watering report, try this.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAR1901.pdf

Some of the same causal factors, compounded by some "interesting" HMI issues.

PORTER is worse.

 

[merchantman]

It appears the tanker owners have read the report and taken on board the findings. They also seem to be getting their defence in first ahead of the proposed trial next year.

London, Nov 14 -- Tsakos Energy Navigation (TEN) has reported that it is ready to review its safety procedures following a recently released official investigation into a collision incident between crude oil tanker Sola TS and KNM Helge Ingstad. Defence lawyers stated that the actions of the crew, who were under intense pressure during a severe storm at the time, did not come close to the definition of gross negligence required to justify imprisonment. The Norwegian state prosecutor has brought a case over liability against the owner. It will be heard at a planned two-week court hearing in Bergen scheduled for 21 September 2020.

 

[RCT(V)]

It appears the tanker owners have read the report and taken on board the findings. They also seem to be getting their defence in first ahead of the proposed trial next year.

London, Nov 14 -- Tsakos Energy Navigation (TEN) has reported that it is ready to review its safety procedures following a recently released official investigation into a collision incident between crude oil tanker Sola TS and KNM Helge Ingstad. Defence lawyers stated that the actions of the crew, who were under intense pressure during a severe storm at the time, did not come close to the definition of gross negligence required to justify imprisonment. The Norwegian state prosecutor has brought a case over liability against the owner. It will be heard at a planned two-week court hearing in Bergen scheduled for 21 September 2020.

"the actions of the crew, who were under intense pressure during a severe storm at the time. . ",

. . . not from any "footage" that I have seen ?!

 

[merchantman]

"the actions of the crew, who were under intense pressure during a severe storm at the time. . ",

. . . not from any "footage" that I have seen ?!

The state of the weather as seen on the video can be misleading. The collision was in a fjord and shelterd from the conditions outside. The report says, at 1.2.2.2:

Sola TS had her lights on while moving away from the quay assisted by the two tugboats
(see section 1.10.4). The tanker also had all forward-pointing deck lights on when leaving
the Sture Terminal. Rough weather was forecast for the North Sea, and the master had
ordered the crew to secure equipment etc. on deck after departure. This primarily
consisted of putting blind flanges into place on the manifold, securing the gangway, oil
spill and fire-fighting equipment, and securing the mooring hawsers and wrapping the
hawser reels in tarpaulin.

The crew would need to secure the foc'le head, mooring lines etc. and much of the open deck space before the ship left the shelter of the fjord. Not really much of an excuse but that is the reason given for the deck lights being left on.

 

[philc]

Colour me surprised.

Norway scraps frigate Helge Ingstad​

Norway scraps frigate Helge Ingstad

The Forsvarsmateriell (FMA), the Norwegian Defence Materiel Agency, signed a contract with Norscrap West on 11 January to scrap the Fridtjof Nansen-class frigate KNM...

www.janes.com

The Forsvarsmateriell (FMA), the Norwegian Defence Materiel Agency, signed a contract with Norscrap West on 11 January to scrap the Fridtjof Nansen-class frigate KNM Helge Ingstad. The company will scrap the frigate at its facility at Hanøytangen by the end of the year, according to the FMA website. The agency valued the contract at approximately NOK60 million (nearly USD7 million), with sales of the metal recovered expected to reduce the cost by several million kroner.

 

[Cold_Collation]

Colour me surprised.

Norway scraps frigate Helge Ingstad​

Norway scraps frigate Helge Ingstad

The Forsvarsmateriell (FMA), the Norwegian Defence Materiel Agency, signed a contract with Norscrap West on 11 January to scrap the Fridtjof Nansen-class frigate KNM...

www.janes.com

The Forsvarsmateriell (FMA), the Norwegian Defence Materiel Agency, signed a contract with Norscrap West on 11 January to scrap the Fridtjof Nansen-class frigate KNM Helge Ingstad. The company will scrap the frigate at its facility at Hanøytangen by the end of the year, according to the FMA website. The agency valued the contract at approximately NOK60 million (nearly USD7 million), with sales of the metal recovered expected to reduce the cost by several million kroner.

Well, given that it was going to cost about NOK90 million in T-Cut...

 

[exbluejob]

Well, given that it was going to cost about NOK90 million in T-Cut...

Discount for bulk buying tankerloads surely?

 

[AfghanAndy]

Colour me surprised.

Norway scraps frigate Helge Ingstad​

Norway scraps frigate Helge Ingstad

The Forsvarsmateriell (FMA), the Norwegian Defence Materiel Agency, signed a contract with Norscrap West on 11 January to scrap the Fridtjof Nansen-class frigate KNM...

www.janes.com

The Forsvarsmateriell (FMA), the Norwegian Defence Materiel Agency, signed a contract with Norscrap West on 11 January to scrap the Fridtjof Nansen-class frigate KNM Helge Ingstad. The company will scrap the frigate at its facility at Hanøytangen by the end of the year, according to the FMA website. The agency valued the contract at approximately NOK60 million (nearly USD7 million), with sales of the metal recovered expected to reduce the cost by several million kroner.

Still probably be cheaper towing it out to deep water and sinking it. Although the green lobby don’t like those kind of things

 

[Yokel]

Still probably be cheaper towing it out to deep water and sinking it. Although the green lobby don’t like those kind of things

The US/NATO security people will not like it either - after all Russia has put money and effort into underwater systems to recover lost Western technologies from the seabed or to do visual inspections.

After the Falklands War, RN divers were sent to retrieve sensitive documents and other items to stop them being recovered by the Soviets.

 

[Cold_Collation]

Discount for bulk buying tankerloads surely?

I imagine that the Royal Norwegian Navy will be doing its best to avoid tankers for a while.

 

[truck_trasher]

The US/NATO security people will not like it either - after all Russia has put money and effort into underwater systems to recover lost Western technologies from the seabed or to do visual inspections.

As did the US, way back when.

 

[LeoRoverman]

Still probably be cheaper towing it out to deep water and sinking it. Although the green lobby don’t like those kind of things

I thought turning ships into reefy things was all the rage?

 

[Yokel]

I thought turning ships into reefy things was all the rage?

Only when they have been throughly cleaned and no traces of fuel and lubricants have been exposed, along with asbestos, plastics, and radioactive materials. Not cheap or quick.

Even old ships being used in a SINKEX have to be stripped and cleaned.

As did the US, way back when.

They did, but they did not copy other peoples' technologies in the same way as the Soviets/Russians.

 

[LeoRoverman]

Only when they have been throughly cleaned and no traces of fuel and lubricants have been exposed, along with asbestos, plastics, and radioactive materials. Not cheap or quick.

Even old ships being used in a SINKEX have to be stripped and cleaned.



They did, but they did not copy other peoples' technologies in the same way as the Soviets/Russians.

I know , I’m pulling yer leg. The cost of stripping those ships must be quite high and besides all official docs would be disposed of.

 

[SKJOLD]

I know , I’m pulling yer leg. The cost of stripping those ships must be quite high and besides all official docs would be disposed of.

Ingstad has already been stripped to the bare bones. Pretty much, just a floating bath tub.

SK

 

[AfghanAndy]

Ingstad has already been stripped to the bare bones. Pretty much, just a floating bath tub with a big dent in it

SK

Fixed

 

[merchantman]

Latest on the Norwegian ship:

London, Feb 8 -- A press report, dated today, states: Crude oil tanker Sola TS / Frigate KNM Helge Ingstad: According to reports, the frigate is currently being towed to Hanoytangen, Norway, where it will be cut up. Two tugs, a safety boat and several other boats from the Norwegian Navy are following the frigate which had pilots and personnel on board for mooring and monitoring the operation.

 

[Electromagnetic]

I didn't see any mention of follow up actions, so did a quick search. The implication is that the ships MOT, certification of seaworthiness, wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Lesson's to be learned from training and design flaws. Extremely expensive lessons. If training was to blame then does that absolve bridge crew?

Norway Sues DNV Certification Office over Sunken Frigate​

November 8, 2020

Last year, the Accident Investigation Board Norway concluded, among other things, that the training of the bridge crew of the frigate was deficient. However, it also concluded that water from the generator compartment penetrated into the gear compartment through hollow propeller shafts. The Armed Forces believes that DNV GL should have revealed this in advance. The Helge Ingstad collided with the tanker Sola TS in November 2018 while heading back from a major NATO exercise, Trident Juncture, the worst accident of its kind in Norwegian waters in decades. The leaked water made the damage more extensive and led to the decision for the crew to prepare for evacuation.

Norway Sues DNV Certification Office over Sunken Frigate

 

[exbluejob]

Last year, the Accident Investigation Board Norway concluded, among other things, that the training of the bridge crew of the frigate was deficient.

Tearing up and down a narrow channel at a rate of knots was a bad idea? Who knew?

 

[Grim_Squeaker85]

I didn't see any mention of follow up actions, so did a quick search. The implication is that the ships MOT, certification of seaworthiness, wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Lesson's to be learned from training and design flaws. Extremely expensive lessons. If training was to blame then does that absolve bridge crew?

Norway Sues DNV Certification Office over Sunken Frigate​

November 8, 2020

Last year, the Accident Investigation Board Norway concluded, among other things, that the training of the bridge crew of the frigate was deficient. However, it also concluded that water from the generator compartment penetrated into the gear compartment through hollow propeller shafts. The Armed Forces believes that DNV GL should have revealed this in advance. The Helge Ingstad collided with the tanker Sola TS in November 2018 while heading back from a major NATO exercise, Trident Juncture, the worst accident of its kind in Norwegian waters in decades. The leaked water made the damage more extensive and led to the decision for the crew to prepare for evacuation.

Norway Sues DNV Certification Office over Sunken Frigate

So, reading that, are the Norwegians saying they never knew the propulsion shaft was hollow?