Norwegian Frigate Collision, Trident Juncture

Apparently the British and Dutch troops have recently found it necessary to shout BANG during exercises, due to a lack of blank. The Germans have recently been required to mutter WARM due to a lack of arctic clothing. Now the Norwegian navy has it's sailors being required to shout FLOATING due to the water outside, coming inside. This is not a positive progression of coincidences for Nato defence.
 
Any ideas from the collective wisdom and knowledge of Arrse as to next steps?
I assume the frigate cannot be left in situ because of the risk of access by third parties to the technology and munitions aboard, and due to the environmental impact of the sinking. I also assume, perhaps incorrectly, that the removal of both from a wreck in the situation of the Helge Ingstad is bloody difficult?
The Concordia was raised after it had a little lie down, and it was a lot bigger than this frigate.
 

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Bearing rate. That is all.
If the bearing does not appreciably change,
Risk of collision is deemed to exist.

One had these things hammered into one's skull. Of course it might not scan so well in Noggie.
 
The forward mast light is easy as feck to loose in a busy anchorage at night, a busy anchorage with a lit up oil terminal as its background

To quote my tame T23 driver…

COLREG 8(e)

If necessary to avoid collision or allow more time to assess the situation, a vessel shall slacken her speed or take all way off by stopping or reversing her means of propulsion.


Game set and match, Frigate banged quite literally to rights : the Frigate did not reduce speed or crash stop even when warned she was on a collision course with the tanker. All there in gloriously maintained 17 knots technicolour on the radar tapes as she sailed into the tankers path.
Did the tanker?

After all if the Tanker is the one pointing out they are on a collision course and the other vessel doesn't think its the case - surely the Tanker should have enacted them same responses you are criticizing the frigate for not making.

In fact is the tanker not more in the wrong if it doesn't _ since its the one generating the warnings?
 
Did the tanker?

After all if the Tanker is the one pointing out they are on a collision course and the other vessel doesn't think its the case - surely the Tanker should have enacted them same responses you are criticizing the frigate for not making.

In fact is the tanker not more in the wrong if it doesn't _ since its the one generating the warnings?
There's no such thing as Right of Way at sea but the frigate was almost certainly the give way vessel. In a nutshell both vessels in any situation should act in accordance with the rules for the prevention of collision at sea, basically as the other vessel would expect them to act. For the tanker that would have been to stand on.

I've not seen anything to suggest that the tanker was restricted in her ability to manouvre, that would have changed things considerably, but she certainly doesn't appear to have had much room to do anything.

Despite some posters assertions to the contrary, the full picture does not appear to be in the public domain yet. Conversations with more or less imaginary frigate skippers not withstanding.
 
US officer facing questions over sunk Norwegian frigate

Sky reporting that a USN exchange officer was on board and 'may be questioned'.

Notwithstanding the fact that I would imagine all the officers will be interviewed, if he was the OOW, I have two questions;

1. Will there be a CM?
2. Isn't the US somewhat reluctant to offer up its bods to non-US investigation?
 
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Norwegian news websites are reporting that a recovery operation will begin this week.

Source: Forsvaret er klare for heving av KNM Helge Ingstad: - Har en plan

"Now we are fully focused on raising Helge Ingstad and shipping it to Haakonsvern," says Thomas Wedervang, Chief of Maritime Capabilities of Defense Materials.

"This is a complex and challenging phase," he says.

When the frigate is shipped to Haakonsvern, the damage will be considered.

- We have a plan. It will be reviewed and verified on a continuous basis, "says Wedervang.

Cranes are being prepared
All material for the job is soon in place. The crane "Gulliver" is in place and the crane Rambiz arrives on Tuesday. Together, the two cranes can lift 7300 tonnes.

Helge Ingstad weighs 5000 tonnes, and in addition has taken a lot of water.

The plan is to gradually lift the vessel and transfer it to a submersible barge. In many ways a normal docking operation, says Wedervang.

The operation will take many days. The vessel must be emptied of diesel, oil and water. This work will probably start in the coming week.

"We prepare barges and rigging equipment. At the same time, we start shortly to empty the vessel for fuel from the thoughts that lie on the hull. In parallel we make chains, "says project manager Arild Øydegard in Defense Materials.

"We need to make a controlled drain of water. This is likely to take several days, says Øydegard.'

One of the two cranes - Gulliver - moving to the wreck's location today:

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