Northern Soul - Any fans out there sound off!

#41
mmm-babies-heads said:
I was a late developer with Northern even though I was old enough for the Wigan scene just down the road in the mid 70's and to this day I still feel my question has never been answered. So, as I'm a noni mouse, I'll ask here! Who decides exactly what, is classed as Northern Soul?
I've been trying to find an answer for this and decided to ask a friend of mine who I consider to be a guru on Northern Soul. I'm gonna quote him direct
50’s Black American church music, gospel had a “secret” underground movement of black music, secret because the American Civil rights movement had not yet made it possible for black artists to be heard main stream.

50’s white American Rock n Roll artists take black gospel and church music fusing it with Memphis blues and rhythm to form what was an acceptable cleaner more refined beat we now know and love as Rock n Roll.

Late 50’s and very early sixties black America found acceptance with the youth of the day when American radio and shows like American Band Stand put the spot light on young kids dancing, yup Rock n Roll was there but Atlantic Stax artists like Ray Charles, Geno Washington, Arthur Conley and Aretha Franklin gave us a new (new to white ears) music that was Gospel fused with rhythm n blues and we now had a new genre called SOUL.

50’s UK Black servicemen USAF and US Army bringing their exiting music to our shores, instant love affair with British youth claiming the music as theirs, well it felt like it.

Late 50’s and early 6T’s Geno Washington and other black servicemen would visit The Flamingo Club in London (Birth of Mods) and play along side The Animals and the best of the British Beat and cemented SOUL into our culture.

60’s America first black millionaire, Berry Gordy forms Motown in Detroit and recruits a stable of black artists singing SOUL, Motown is born.

60’s America hundreds of Motown copyists emerge with success and not so much success with loads of stables producing a handful of brilliant records but commercially they would flop and spend the next decade in back street record shops and warehouses, these will later become “NORTHERNSOUL”

late 60’s and early 70’s American black music changes to a more funkier with it sound fuelled by the Malcolm X movement and the Black panthers, songs about love, boy friends and girlfriends lost favour and Motown eventually lost its sound as we know it for the likes of the now grown up Steve Wonder and the troubled Marvin Gaye.

Late 60’s and early 70’s UK, the youth where into disco and the glam movement but there where some who had an under ground sub culture and a real thirst for ultra rare and forgotten SOUL that was bought mail order and the lucky few who could afford to jump the pond in them days.

Early 70’s UK, specialist clubs predominantly in the north of England, Manchester the Twisted Wheel, Stoke, and Va Va’s gave an alternative to crushed velvet suits and chicken in a basket. No dress restrictions, no bar! Drugs and all-night naughty underground music that no one knew and the rare soul scene was born.

Blues and Soul magazine journalist Dave Godin visited Stoke and wrote, this is not the normal soul we know, this is a faster more up-tempo beat, this is….. NORTHERNSOUL and a legend had a name!!!

UK mid early seventies, Wigan and The Blackpool Mecca open for regular all-nighters Northern Soul dancing was usually athletic, resembling the later dance styles of disco and break dancing. Featuring spins, flips, and backdrops, the northern soul dancing style was inspired by the stage performances of visiting American soul acts such as Little Anthony & The Imperials and Jackie Wilson.

To pull up a tune and ask “Is this northernsoul”? Well take Duffy, is it Northernsoul? No it is not. It may sound like a distant northernsoul track but Duffy is not played on the UK Northernsoul scene, if and when if ever it does….. Then it will be….. Northernsoul.
 
#42
#43
LeverBreachMechanism said:
mmm-babies-heads said:
I was a late developer with Northern even though I was old enough for the Wigan scene just down the road in the mid 70's and to this day I still feel my question has never been answered. So, as I'm a noni mouse, I'll ask here! Who decides exactly what, is classed as Northern Soul?
I've been trying to find an answer for this and decided to ask a friend of mine who I consider to be a guru on Northern Soul. I'm gonna quote him direct
50’s Black American church music, gospel had a “secret” underground movement of black music, secret because the American Civil rights movement had not yet made it possible for black artists to be heard main stream.

50’s white American Rock n Roll artists take black gospel and church music fusing it with Memphis blues and rhythm to form what was an acceptable cleaner more refined beat we now know and love as Rock n Roll.

Late 50’s and very early sixties black America found acceptance with the youth of the day when American radio and shows like American Band Stand put the spot light on young kids dancing, yup Rock n Roll was there but Atlantic Stax artists like Ray Charles, Geno Washington, Arthur Conley and Aretha Franklin gave us a new (new to white ears) music that was Gospel fused with rhythm n blues and we now had a new genre called SOUL.

50’s UK Black servicemen USAF and US Army bringing their exiting music to our shores, instant love affair with British youth claiming the music as theirs, well it felt like it.

Late 50’s and early 6T’s Geno Washington and other black servicemen would visit The Flamingo Club in London (Birth of Mods) and play along side The Animals and the best of the British Beat and cemented SOUL into our culture.

60’s America first black millionaire, Berry Gordy forms Motown in Detroit and recruits a stable of black artists singing SOUL, Motown is born.

60’s America hundreds of Motown copyists emerge with success and not so much success with loads of stables producing a handful of brilliant records but commercially they would flop and spend the next decade in back street record shops and warehouses, these will later become “NORTHERNSOUL”

late 60’s and early 70’s American black music changes to a more funkier with it sound fuelled by the Malcolm X movement and the Black panthers, songs about love, boy friends and girlfriends lost favour and Motown eventually lost its sound as we know it for the likes of the now grown up Steve Wonder and the troubled Marvin Gaye.

Late 60’s and early 70’s UK, the youth where into disco and the glam movement but there where some who had an under ground sub culture and a real thirst for ultra rare and forgotten SOUL that was bought mail order and the lucky few who could afford to jump the pond in them days.

Early 70’s UK, specialist clubs predominantly in the north of England, Manchester the Twisted Wheel, Stoke, and Va Va’s gave an alternative to crushed velvet suits and chicken in a basket. No dress restrictions, no bar! Drugs and all-night naughty underground music that no one knew and the rare soul scene was born.

Blues and Soul magazine journalist Dave Godin visited Stoke and wrote, this is not the normal soul we know, this is a faster more up-tempo beat, this is….. NORTHERNSOUL and a legend had a name!!!

UK mid early seventies, Wigan and The Blackpool Mecca open for regular all-nighters Northern Soul dancing was usually athletic, resembling the later dance styles of disco and break dancing. Featuring spins, flips, and backdrops, the northern soul dancing style was inspired by the stage performances of visiting American soul acts such as Little Anthony & The Imperials and Jackie Wilson.

To pull up a tune and ask “Is this northernsoul”? Well take Duffy, is it Northernsoul? No it is not. It may sound like a distant northernsoul track but Duffy is not played on the UK Northernsoul scene, if and when if ever it does….. Then it will be….. Northernsoul.
Thanks for all that LBM.. I feel a little richer in knowledge..it makes sense.
 
#44
http://www.thescooterdo.com/

For all you Brummies and Blackcountry folk. Been to a couple of nights and recommend it, a friendly bunch with loads of dance floor action.
 
#45
Fantastic to see so many people into Northern Soul and the Scooter scene. There seems to be a bit of a revival where Im based shame its all Seniors/Officers.
One of our Apache Pilots rides to work on a Lambretta and we have a WO who's garage is like a shrine to Vespa's.

Keep on keeping on!
 
#47
This thread is starting to get waaaaaaaay cool now! It's great to hear that the Northern & scooter scenes have a following in the mob now, & that it's not just some of us old fcukers. Respect to you all.
Couple of quotes that I liked a lot,
LBM: "All-night naughty underground music" & "Duffy is not played on the UK Northernsoul scene, if & when if ever it does.....Then it will be....Northernsoul."
Your contact who imparted this wisdom is a true genius, & he's put into words what I've thought for a long time. That is exactly how some Northern sounds first broke in the 70s (The Flasher being one), & that's how the sound of the future will be shaped. Taking my kagoule off now....
Seriously, thanks to all for your posts on this thread, it's getting better than I ever thought & might I be so bold as to suggest as a future project an Arrse Northern Social?.........
If the Kennel Club & City types can do it, then why not us?
Your thoughts please..........
 
#48
Well this thread has prompted a re-visit to my collection and I've spent the last couple of days trying to decide my top ten tracks. I haven't gone for obscure ones, mainly for the ones that always get me itching to hit the dancefloor, normally when I'm too pished to care what damage I am about to inflict (both to my knees and those watching). Here goes , and apologies in advance to the purists.

1. Nobody But Me - The Human Beinz
2. There's a Ghost in my house - R Dean Taylor
3. The Flasher - Mistura
4. I'm On My Way - Dean Parish
5. Out On The Floor - Dobie Gray
6. Better Use Your Head - Little Anthony & The Imperials
7. Dance, Dance, Dance - The Casualeers
8. Do I love You - Frank Wilson
9. The Snake - Al Wilson
10. Seven Days is Too Long - Chuck Wood

I could make a list of 1000 but you have to start somewhere!

Edited to add - I even feel the need to revert to my old "floppyjocky" avatar.
 
#49
Brush_Dust_Shake said:
This thread is starting to get waaaaaaaay cool now! It's great to hear that the Northern & scooter scenes have a following in the mob now, & that it's not just some of us old fcukers. Respect to you all.
Couple of quotes that I liked a lot,
LBM: "All-night naughty underground music" & "Duffy is not played on the UK Northernsoul scene, if & when if ever it does.....Then it will be....Northernsoul."
Your contact who imparted this wisdom is a true genius, & he's put into words what I've thought for a long time. That is exactly how some Northern sounds first broke in the 70s (The Flasher being one), & that's how the sound of the future will be shaped. Taking my kagoule off now....
Seriously, thanks to all for your posts on this thread, it's getting better than I ever thought & might I be so bold as to suggest as a future project an Arrse Northern Social?.........
If the Kennel Club & City types can do it, then why not us?
Your thoughts please..........
The scene is alive and vibrant it also has a large following in the forces. You are aware that it is one of the music genres played on scooter rallies. Check this site out The Armed Forces Scooter Club. There are are over 500 members at present. This is where I get my northern fix when I'm out with this lot.
 
#50
No offence to the hair dryer lovers but I don't automatically connect Northern music to Scooters, or MODS for that matter. It's great that it forms a base for a following but I'd look a bit out of place rocking up to a meet on the back wheel of my R1.
 
#53
Pocoyo said:
No offence to the hair dryer lovers but I don't automatically connect Northern music to Scooters, or MODS for that matter. It's great that it forms a base for a following but I'd look a bit out of place rocking up to a meet on the back wheel of my R1.
No worries we dont always associate R1 riders only coming out in sunshine conditions or dressing like a power ranger

Correct see my comments on the other thread
 
#54
brettarider said:
Pocoyo said:
No offence to the hair dryer lovers but I don't automatically connect Northern music to Scooters, or MODS for that matter. It's great that it forms a base for a following but I'd look a bit out of place rocking up to a meet on the back wheel of my R1.
No worries we dont always associate R1 riders only coming out in sunshine conditions or dressing like a power ranger

Correct see my comments on the other thread
Cheers, I was beginning to think no-one was going to bite :D
 
#56
menacingboots said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hzemxpXr1s&feature=related

Some dodgy German group I think but the tune is ok. Brings back Blackpool memories as a scroat in the socialist 70's. Norbreck Castle Inn - feck, what a dive....!
This is a pretty good Frank Popp tune - I dare ya not to shuffle around listening to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE_jzXICG44&feature=related
 
#57
Nice one, TSO - enjoyed listening to that one!
But if you fancy a real stomper, how's about -
Condition Red - The Baltimore & Ohio Marching Band (on "Talcum Soul Vol.1" compilation - Stateside Records) :wink:
 
#58
#59
Brush_Dust_Shake said:
Nice one, TSO - enjoyed listening to that one!
But if you fancy a real stomper, how's about -
Condition Red - The Baltimore & Ohio Marching Band (on "Talcum Soul Vol.1" compilation - Stateside Records) :wink:
How can you march with a Bontempi organ? :p

Mind you - its about the right speed for the Light Div! 8)
 

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