Northern Ireland (Offences) Bill

#1
This bill effectively stabs us in the back. I think we all need to sit up, take note and make a noise before, not after. This is all uk forces and our future as the best once more at stake because of this government and its contempt towards those that serve the crown. We need to make a stand now.

www.websitetoolbox.com...?id=763293

This letter was received the following from Michael Howard's office today and will reply to him in due course as there is no mention of how we can move forward to kill this before it becomes law :

Thank you for your email to Michael Howard. I am replying on his behalf.


Thank you for bringing to our attention the work of your website for the ex Parachute Regiment and Airborne Forces, and your opposition to the Northern Ireland (Offences) Bill, your comments have been carefully noted. The Conservative Party, too, has grave concerns regarding this Bill.



Yesterday (23rd November) the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats will joined forces to table an amendment opposing the Second Reading of the Northern Ireland (Offences) Bill. The Bill is also opposed by all the parties and victims’ groups in Northern Ireland – with the exception of Sinn Fein.


The Government’s proposals amount to an effective amnesty for people who have been responsible for some of the most heinous crimes of the past 35 years, such as the Enniskillen bombing in 1987. The legislation will also cover anyone charged in future with crimes like the Warrington bomb in 1992 or the murder by the IRA of the Conservative MP, Ian Gow, in 1990.

Terrorist fugitives will be able to return to Northern Ireland without ever having to appear before a court, or give any account of their crimes. They will escape without even a slap on the wrist. Unlike those released early under the Belfast Agreement, they will never have to spend a single minute in custody.

Members of the security forces are placed on a par with the terrorists. By extending the provisions of the Bill to include the police and the Armed Forces, the Government has introduced the concept of ‘equivalence’ between terrorists and those charged with upholding the law in the United Kingdom. This is morally repugnant, and something which has always been vigorously opposed by the police and army.
There is no time limit or cut-off point in the Bill. People who have committed crimes will be able to wait and see how the process works before deciding whether or not to come forward.
Promises to deal with ‘on-the-runs’ (OTRs) were made by the government at the Weston Park talks in July 2000. The then Secretary of State, John Reid, caved in unilaterally and completely to Sinn Fein’s demands and offered what was, in effect, a general amnesty. More detailed proposals finally appeared in April 2003 following yet more protracted negotiations at Hillsborough Castle, Co Down. Alongside a British-Irish Joint Declaration dealing with political and security issues, the British Government issued a paper called Proposals in Relation to On the Runs (OTRs). This was not agreed by the Northern Ireland parties – with the exception of Sinn Fein.



The Northern Ireland (Offences) Bill was published on 9 November, following a commitment to introduce legislation promised rashly by Northern Ireland Secretary, Peter Hain, following the IRA statement of 28 July that ended its ‘armed campaign’.



Under the Government’s Bill, anyone wanted in connection with an offence committed in Northern Ireland, or the rest of the United Kingdom, before the Belfast Agreement of 1998 would be able to apply to a Certification Commissioner to return to Northern Ireland. Anyone still living in the United Kingdom who may be charged in future with a pre-1998 offence would also be covered by the scheme – including members of the security forces.
Once individuals had been granted a certificate of eligibility, their cases would then be passed to a Special Judicial Tribunal, sitting as a criminal court. If a prosecution takes place, defendants would not be required to be present at the trial.
In the event of conviction, the Special Judicial Tribunal would pass sentence, but the person convicted would immediately qualify for the early release scheme. They could also appeal against the conviction to a special Appeals Commission.


As a result of the Government’s proposals, convicted, or suspected, terrorists will not spend a second either in court or behind bars – unlike those prisoners released early under the Belfast Agreement who had spent a minimum two years behind bars.



Elsewhere Mr Blair boasts of standing up to terrorists: in Ulster he concedes to them. His double standards will be obvious to everyone.



The legislation is opposed in Northern Ireland by the Democratic Unionist Party, the Ulster Unionist Party, the Social Democratic and Labour Party, the Alliance Party and numerous victims’ groups – in fact every mainstream party except Sinn Fein.



The leader of the SDLP, Mark Durkan MP, MLA has complained that: ‘the killers don't have to turn up in court and listen to how they shattered victims’ lives’ (BBC News Online, 16 November 2005).
Meanwhile the leader of moderate, cross-community Alliance Party in Northern Ireland, David Ford MLA, has described the legislation as ‘grotesque’. He said that: ‘This is a direct follow-on from a side deal struck between the prime minister and Sinn Fein four years ago, completely ignoring the other interested parties, not least the victims’ (BBC News Online, 9 November 2005).
Conservatives have always believed that anyone – whether a terrorist or a member of the security forces – suspected of committing a criminal offence should be subject to the ordinary criminal law and brought before the courts to answer for their actions.

Thank you once again for writing to Mr Howard.

Yours sincerely,
 
#2
Stinks
"the Government has introduced the concept of ‘equivalence’ between terrorists and those charged with upholding the law in the United Kingdom"
F-ing Stinks
"IRA statement of 28 July that ended its ‘armed campaign"
Yeah yeah still F-ing Stinks
"Elsewhere Mr Blair boasts of standing up to terrorists"
Scuse moi while I go for a nose transplant.
john
 
#3
So now it is official Scum Balir and his terrorist sympathising mate Hain have officially said that the RUC and British Army are just the same as a bunch of terrorists.

I hope everyone here remembers this the next time Labour want us to vote for them. Never, ever trust the Labour Party, they have always been the biggest bunch of back stabbing bastards.

They are the onlt party that make the Tories look good.
 
#5
Hmm.... I'm not clear what exactly the Tory's are suggesting? Are they opposed to the entire concept of an amnesty or is it that they want the accused to appear in court and then have an amnesty? Quite easy to oppose things when you are not in government...

Tricam
 
#6
As far as I can see it sends out one very clear message.
If you want to persuade the British Government to do your bidding.
Bomb London. Hard.
 
#8
When we all (esp those who were there in the 70's) get dragged in to court we should all ask for Tony Blair as a character witness - remember the drivel he spouted about how proud he was of us ? T*ss*r.
 
#9
Have a look at this article:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4422658.stm



What about finding those responsible for Warrenpoint BLAIR, before you bamboozle the public with another piece of poor legislation rushed through to placate those that committed these murderous acts.

I hope to God that the House of Lords see this as it is, a load of PC based crap.
 
#11
Blair is not interested in finding anyone responsible for the murders at Warrenpoint. His is a typical left winger who is at heart evry anti-military as a point of principle. Why do you think he and his cronies are all former CND members?

Do you really believe anything that comes out of hs mouth? Any one connected with the forces and NI are fair game to him in his efforts to surrender to Adams and co.

Remember Hain is and always has been in fabour of the surrender of British people to the terrorists on NI. When he made the remarks about polictical prisoners - it was not a mistake of terminiology for him, just a slip on the spin and lies, in which his true feeling were revealed.
 
#12
Just received a reply from Adam Ingram to a letter I drafted through my local MP with reference to this.

Read into the following what you will.

Thank you for your recent letter enclosing one of your constituent, Mr ***** ******* of ** ***** *****, ******

The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) is reviewing 2,000 unresolved deaths from the troubles. More than 300 of these deaths have been attributed to the security forces.

The Armed Forces who your constituent served with, have carried out duties with fortitude and skill in Northern Ireland in incredibly difficult circumstances. However, soldiers have always had to act within the law and the potential for criminal charges is always present. Where allegations of wrong doing are made they must be investigated and, where appropriate, brought to trial. If personnel have acted unlawfully , this will come out in the investigation of trial, whether through the normal legal process or a special tribunal. In the case of the tribunal, the issues will be fully examined, the defendant could choose to attend proceedings, will be able to plead not guilty and have his case defended in the normal way.

Whether the review results in the prosecution of serving or former members of the Armed Forces is a matter for the Police and the prosecuting authorities. That said, you may wish to note that the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland stated, on the 8 March, that : “this is sensitive, painstaking and complex work, and in many cases is unlikely to lead to any prosecutions”

The Ministry of Defence will provide whatever assistance and support are appropriate for those serving and former members of the Armed Forces who will be required to assist the review.

In response to your constituent’s points about “on the runs”, it might be helpful if I first set out briefly how the proposed scheme will operate. Under the proposals outlined in the Northern Ireland (Offences) Bill, which is currently being introduced to Parliament by the Northern Ireland Office (NIO), individuals charged with an offence committed “in connection with terrorism and the affairs of NI (whether committed for terrorist purposes or not)”, that occurred before the Good Friday Agreement, will be able to apply for a certificate. If they are granted a certificate, they may still be charged and prosecuted before a special tribunal. Should they be convicted they would immediately be released in licence.

There are two proposed categories of individuals who would be eligible under the scheme. The first is limited to those individuals whom the police would arrest in respect of offences defined in the legislation, but are unable to do as they are outside the country. The second relates to individuals who are not linked with any offence as defined in the legislation, but are subsequently charged with one or more such offences. Under the draft legislation, members of the Armed Forces who are charged with an offence as defined under the legislation would be eligible to apply. Any soldier charged with an offence would be provided with appropriate support by the Ministry of Defence.

Whilst the Armed Forces are eligible to apply for a certificate, this is a decision for each individual to make; there is no requirement to apply for one. In the event that a soldier chose not to apply, or was unsuccessful in applying, for a certificate, their case would go through the normal legal process.

As the Prime Minister and Northern Ireland Secretary have acknowledged, this is a highly controversial bill. The decision not to exclude members of the Armed Forces from the legislation was difficult to make and the arguments are finely balanced. The case in favour of exclusion was carefully considered, particularly to avoid any suggestion of “moral equivalence” between terrorists and soldiers. The scheme does not, however, pardon individuals for an offence. It means that in the event of a conviction, they are not imprisoned but released on licence; they would still receive a criminal record and thus remain accountable for their actions.


The Rt Hon Adam Ingram MP
 
#15
Fooboy wrote;

'What about finding those responsible for Warrenpoint BLAIR, before you bamboozle the public with another piece of poor legislation rushed through to placate those that committed these murderous acts.'

How about
Birmingham Six
Guildford Four
McGuire Seven etc

If they didn't do it then who's looking (or who. in New Liabour, gives a shit) for those who did?
 
#16
ACAB said:
Fooboy wrote;

'What about finding those responsible for Warrenpoint BLAIR, before you bamboozle the public with another piece of poor legislation rushed through to placate those that committed these murderous acts.'

How about
Birmingham Six
Guildford Four
McGuire Seven etc

If they didn't do it then who's looking (or who. in New Liabour, gives a s***) for those who did?
The list go's on. I will be at the March when ever its held
 
#18
Only because he could not get his terrorist mate Adams to go along with it.

He has not dropped it due to a sudden outbreak of support for the police of Army. He will sacrifice any and every single one of us if he thinks it helps him.

Lets see:

Mass murderers out on the street.

RUC destroyed to appease terrorists.

No intention of investigating unsolved murders of soldiers or policemen.

An offer to launch a witch hunt of the security forces to appease the terrorists.

A desire to let non-convicted terrorists home without going to prison.

Meanwhile as was stated above an intense desire to get a few soldiers sent down in Iraq to show good form to any who oppose his war.

The man and all his terrorist supporting mate i.e. Hain are pure scum. Make sure you all remember this the next time his party want your votes - because they will eventually.
 
#19
Inf/MP said:
Only because he could not get his terrorist mate Adams to go along with it.

He has not dropped it due to a sudden outbreak of support for the police of Army. He will sacrifice any and every single one of us if he thinks it helps him.

Lets see:

Mass murderers out on the street.

RUC destroyed to appease terrorists.

No intention of investigating unsolved murders of soldiers or policemen.

An offer to launch a witch hunt of the security forces to appease the terrorists.

A desire to let non-convicted terrorists home without going to prison.

Meanwhile as was stated above an intense desire to get a few soldiers sent down in Iraq to show good form to any who oppose his war.

The man and all his terrorist supporting mate i.e. Hain are pure scum. Make sure you all remember this the next time his party want your votes - because they will eventually.

How long before BLiar is writing handwritten pardons for the roadside bombers in Afghanistan and Iraq? murderers and terrorists don't have ROE - fukkin makes me sick.
 

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