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Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by DesktopCommando, Mar 26, 2013.

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  1. When you start from the premise that a) this is a major problem, b) only China can solve it, and c) it must be solved right now, then that seems to be the inevitable conclusion, doesn't it?

    Of course if you take the position that China appears to take, to humour Fat Boy Kim for now and let the problem eventually solve itself through heart attack or assassination, then you might come to a different conclusion.

    Oddly enough, the Chinese don't seem to be in too much of a hurry to placate random Internet posters who throw their toys out of the pram whenever China doesn't leap to obey them.

    If you've been following the news over the past decades, you may have noticed that the US hasn't been shy about overthrowing governments in Central and South America that didn't toe the line with respect to Washington. The US has long exercised general overlordship of that region. Venezuela is indeed currently receiving a bit of the love.
    U.S. declares Venezuela a national security threat, sanctions top officials
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  2. That's pretty pathetic even from you.
  3. U.S. forges ahead with South Korea missile defenses, despite upheaval
    THAAD still being deployed as requested despite what's going on politically in S Korea. There have been pro and anti comments from prospective candidates but still going ahead based on last request.

    Not an expert on THAADs (albeit I'm sure someone can google their preferred expertise), but according the article it works best when integrated with Aegis and Patriot and current siting plans are a poor location:
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  4. If it's right for China in Asia, is it not right for for the US in the western hemisphere? Are we accepting spheres of influence for all major powers, or just for China and Russia?
  5. Sphere of influence for China? I thought they were taking flack for wanting to keep clear of the whole issue for now. The Chinese seem to think that while there may be a time and a place to take care of Fat Boy Kim and his dynasty once and for all, this isn't it.

    Wishing a problem to go away doesn't make it go away. Nobody, but nobody, has proposed a realistic plan for dealing with the problem of North Korea that doesn't create more problems than it solves.

    Replacing Fat Boy with someone more malleable might possibly have been an option, but as you may recall, the latest round of arguing started with Fat Boy taking that option off the table for now by slotting Nam. If that was sparked by some Chinese plan along those lines, well then the Chinese are back to square one again, aren't they?

    But if North Korea is somehow supposedly part of a Chinese "sphere of influence", they seem to have remarkably little influence there, don't they?
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  6. U.S. deploys attack drones to South Korea amid tension with North
    Looks like the US are deploying UAVs to S Korea. Seems to be part of the upgrade or reinforcement of US Divns ie every US Divn will have a Coy of 'attack drones'
    General Atomics MQ-1C Gray Eagle - Wikipedia Wiki article on Grey Eagle. Basically an upgraded Pred

    E2A: North Korea shuns U.N. rights review as calls grow for justice
    Some more on the UN investigation into Human Rights abuses:
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  7. North Korea warns of 'merciless' strikes as U.S. carrier joins South Korea drills
    USS Carl Vinson joins the annual exercises in S Korea. Obviously the DPRK are unhappy with this and "If they infringe on the DPRK's sovereignty and dignity even a bit, its army will launch merciless ultra-precision strikes from ground, air, sea and underwater,"
    Top South Korean presidential candidate demands China stop retaliation over THAAD
    Likely Presidential winner asks China to stop making economic retaliation over the deployment of THAAD
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  8. Indeed, and it is quite startling that RoK and Vietnam are increasingly in the US/Japanese camp.
  9. Have the norks not threatened merciless strikes for several years now. It would be highly entertaining if they tried having a pop at a US carrier group.
  10. I am sure it would be highly entertaining for everyone other than the serving folk and their families (I am not being facetious with you), but the US military is not in tip top shape, the Carrier Group (albeit awesome) is certainly not at full strength and they are flying rapidly decreasing numbers of Super Hornets with pilots with decreasing training time.

    Back up is limited and the cutting edge was slashed (F-22 and B2).

    I wonder if the average Yank even gives that much of a fook about NK to send their children to die over there? Lets face it, even in 20 years when NK could make a Trident equivalent that could hit the US or Europe in numbers, we will have some missile defence system making missiles obsolete.
  11. Kim Jong-un firing at stuff
    What to Make of North Korea?s Latest Nuclear Test?
    5-10 years according to the experts for ICBMs. Current problem is:
  12. Weren't the RoK always there?

    Vietnam is interesting but I'd have to question how much trust a Communist Party-led authoritarian regime actually have in the US. Probably not much more than in the 'can predict their behaviour with reasonable certainty' sense, which is about all that really counts but not suggestive of an enduring alliance.
  13. My impression is that the Vietnamese are in their own camp, not anyone else's. We're just hearing more about them now because there is a fair amount of Western investment going into Vietnam as they become one of the new hot places to go for cheap unskilled labour now that incomes have risen in China.
  14. I'd say that was true of every nation. The Vietnamese have a historic track record of wanting to keep 'China' at arms length while turning to them for help against other foes any time they need it.

    No reason to suspect they're doing any different with the US.
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  15. Sirens blare as Japan, fearing North Korea, holds first missile drill
    Looks like Japan is taking the threat from North Korea seriously: