Norman Tebbit tells it like it is.

#1
Norman Tebbit has written this very good opinion piece about how “political correctness” and “multiculturalism” is undermining our British identity.

The amazing thing is, it was published in the Guardian! I expect a sudden peak in mortality among the Guardianistas as they choke to death on their croissants and espresso.

Nice one, Norman.
 
#2
Any chance of a link, Chinggis?

MsG
 
#4
Chinggis said:
Sorry, the hyperlink isn't very obvious. 5th word, 1st line "this".
My sincere apologies, Chinggis, I missed that link in your original post. Put it down to me being an old dodderer now. :D :D :D

Getting back to the theme: I think Sir Duberry of Cheam is wrong in his estimation. I think that the UK can absorb a lot of "foreign" values and emerge as a British (but altered) society. That's what evolution's all about!

MsG
 
#5
Excellant piece. thanks for alerting me to it. Isn't it funny though. Until a few years ago he (by his own admission) would have been branded a racist bigot for a speech like that. The islingtion lot got away with undermining this countries values and identity. Now every man (and woman) and thier dog is crying out for change. From fred the binman to captains of industry and senior politicos. Yet still the 'govt' ignore them. Methinks oswald and his blackshirts may have had a grain of truth in his rivers of blood speech.
 
#6
Chinggis said:
Norman Tebbit has written this very good opinion piece about how “political correctness” and “multiculturalism” is undermining our British identity.

The amazing thing is, it was published in the Guardian! I expect a sudden peak in mortality among the Guardianistas as they choke to death on their croissants and espresso.

Nice one, Norman.
The Guardian these days has abandoned its old Socialist agenda, and regularly prints good stuff like this. Max Hastings twice a week, for example.

Anything, so long as it's well-argued, well-written and controversial.

The Independent has a lot to be thanked for, by nudging The Guardian into this much wider editorial approach.

Good stuff!
 
#7
Spicey, was it not Enoch Powell that made the "Rivers of Blood" speech? :?
 
#8
thespicegirl said:
Excellant piece. thanks for alerting me to it. Isn't it funny though. Until a few years ago he (by his own admission) would have been branded a racist bigot for a speech like that. The islingtion lot got away with undermining this countries values and identity. Now every man (and woman) and thier dog is crying out for change. From fred the binman to captains of industry and senior politicos. Yet still the 'govt' ignore them. Methinks oswald and his blackshirts may have had a grain of truth in his rivers of blood speech.
Er, some confusion, methinks.

The so-called (inaccurately) "Rivers of Blood" speech was made by (Brig.) Enoch Powell MP. Mosely was a generation earlier.

Mosley was a brilliant intellect gone very badly wrong. Powell was ditto, but invariably correct. (He accurately predicted the US would destroy the British Empire, which it did.)

Tebbit is an extreme lightweight; and this piece contains nothing at all original. But the £2,000 fee will keep him in shotgun cartridges for at least part of the coming pheasant season . . . .
 
#9
caubeen said:
thespicegirl said:
Excellant piece. thanks for alerting me to it. Isn't it funny though. Until a few years ago he (by his own admission) would have been branded a racist bigot for a speech like that. The islingtion lot got away with undermining this countries values and identity. Now every man (and woman) and thier dog is crying out for change. From fred the binman to captains of industry and senior politicos. Yet still the 'govt' ignore them. Methinks oswald and his blackshirts may have had a grain of truth in his rivers of blood speech.
Er, some confusion, methinks.

The so-called (inaccurately) "Rivers of Blood" speech was made by (Brig.) Enoch Powell MP. Mosely was a generation earlier.

Mosley was a brilliant intellect gone very badly wrong. Powell was ditto, but invariably correct. (He accurately predicted the US would destroy the British Empire, which it did.)

Tebbit is an extreme lightweight; and this piece contains nothing at all original. But the £2,000 fee will keep him in shotgun cartridges for at least part of the coming pheasant season . . . .


Norman Tebbit can hardly be classed as an extreme lightweight as he has refused to forgive Patrick Magee for murdering 5 of his friends and crippling his wife,Nowadays under Trustworthy Tony the policy is to suck up to these murdering scum hence the good Friday agreement and apoligising for slavery
 
#10
Good article, pretty much puts my own thoughts into words....and I love to see the pinko guardianistas getting irate over it, although I must admit I was suprised at the number of supportive comments posted.

What came as no surprise were the classic, standard retorts of the left. The war cry of the liberal left moron who for some reason thinks he represents the moderate centre ground and made due a complete inability to make a rational contradictory argument.

"FACIST" "RACIST" "XENOPHOBE" etc etc
 
#11
RHODESIAN said:
caubeen said:
Er, some confusion, methinks.

The so-called (inaccurately) "Rivers of Blood" speech was made by (Brig.) Enoch Powell MP. Mosely was a generation earlier.

Mosley was a brilliant intellect gone very badly wrong. Powell was ditto, but invariably correct. (He accurately predicted the US would destroy the British Empire, which it did.)

Tebbit is an extreme lightweight; and this piece contains nothing at all original. But the £2,000 fee will keep him in shotgun cartridges for at least part of the coming pheasant season . . . .
Norman Tebbit can hardly be classed as an extreme lightweight as he has refused to forgive Patrick Magee for murdering 5 of his friends and crippling his wife,Nowadays under Trustworthy Tony the policy is to suck up to these murdering scum hence the good Friday agreement and apoligising for slavery
Not a logical argument.

I don't forgive those who murdered my friends, either.

But smouldering resentment is no proof of towering intellect. Tebbitt is a comparative lightweight, and never an original thinker - unlike Moseley and Powell, who were powerful intellects, albeit gravely perverted in one instance.
 
#12
When someone is called a lightweight,my interpretention of that is that the person has no balls and goes along with the crowd,never going against the grain or raising their heads above the parapet so that is why I wouldn't class Norman Tebbit as a Lightweight
 
#13
RHODESIAN said:
When someone is called a lightweight,my interpretention of that is that the person has no balls and goes along with the crowd,never going against the grain or raising their heads above the parapet so that is why I wouldn't class Norman Tebbit as a Lightweight
Ah, no. We are at risk of cross-purposes.

Tebbitt's lack of weight, as I perceive it, is in the department of original political thought.

He was a loyal footsoldier under Maggie; but all his political thoughts and opinions are derivative.

There is absolutely no denying his physical courage, or that of his terrorist-crippled wife - both of whom I salute.
 
#14
I see,you meant his article and not his character fair play,Sorry I didn't mean to jump down your throat
 
#15
thespicegirl said:
Excellant piece. thanks for alerting me to it. Isn't it funny though. Until a few years ago he (by his own admission) would have been branded a racist bigot for a speech like that. The islingtion lot got away with undermining this countries values and identity. Now every man (and woman) and thier dog is crying out for change. From fred the binman to captains of industry and senior politicos. Yet still the 'govt' ignore them. Methinks oswald and his blackshirts may have had a grain of truth in his rivers of blood speech.
Here you go.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/20/newsid_2489000/2489357.stm

The original article.

http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/powell_press.htm
 
#16
caubeen said:
thespicegirl said:
Excellant piece. thanks for alerting me to it. Isn't it funny though. Until a few years ago he (by his own admission) would have been branded a racist bigot for a speech like that. The islingtion lot got away with undermining this countries values and identity. Now every man (and woman) and thier dog is crying out for change. From fred the binman to captains of industry and senior politicos. Yet still the 'govt' ignore them. Methinks oswald and his blackshirts may have had a grain of truth in his rivers of blood speech.
Er, some confusion, methinks.

The so-called (inaccurately) "Rivers of Blood" speech was made by (Brig.) Enoch Powell MP. Mosely was a generation earlier.

Mosley was a brilliant intellect gone very badly wrong. Powell was ditto, but invariably correct. (He accurately predicted the US would destroy the British Empire, which it did.)

Tebbit is an extreme lightweight; and this piece contains nothing at all original. But the £2,000 fee will keep him in shotgun cartridges for at least part of the coming pheasant season . . . .
I quite agree with your remarks on Enoch Powell. He was a man of towering intelligence and his reputation deserves to be thoroughly rehabilitated following the acknowledged collapse of multiculturalism. Of working class parentage, yet a professor of Ancient Greek by the age of 23, he rose to the rank of Brigadier having enlisted as a Private soldier. He espoused Thatcherite economics before anyone had heard of Thatcher and saw the EU for what it would become - an attack on our sovereign status. Interestingly enough, although upset by the end of the Raj (his ambition was to become Viceroy of India) I know that he would have fought tooth and nail to keep us out of our current problems in the sandpit, just as he decried Eden's Suez adventure.
A truly great political mind who deserves to remembered for much more than one (misquoted) speech in which he was actually quoting the Roman poet Virgil. Tebbit, a good politician in his own way, doesn't come close.
 

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#17
Good point, well made, but as noted already; made many times in the past by better minds and better speakers.

All it needs now is a DOER, and not some dower pr!ck called broon.
 
#18
radioactiveman said:
caubeen said:
Er, some confusion, methinks.

The so-called (inaccurately) "Rivers of Blood" speech was made by (Brig.) Enoch Powell MP. Mosely was a generation earlier.

Mosley was a brilliant intellect gone very badly wrong. Powell was ditto, but invariably correct. (He accurately predicted the US would destroy the British Empire, which it did.)

Tebbit is an extreme lightweight; and this piece contains nothing at all original. But the £2,000 fee will keep him in shotgun cartridges for at least part of the coming pheasant season . . . .
I quite agree with your remarks on Enoch Powell. He was a man of towering intelligence and his reputation deserves to be thoroughly rehabilitated following the acknowledged collapse of multiculturalism. Of working class parentage, yet a professor of Ancient Greek by the age of 23, he rose to the rank of Brigadier having enlisted as a Private soldier.

The two fastest rises (academic and military) of the 20th century, from - as you say - humble origins. The British educational system used to be uniquely well organised to promote it - and the class system willingly accepted it. It was what made the UK great - once upon a time.

He espoused Thatcherite economics before anyone had heard of Thatcher and saw the EU for what it would become - an attack on our sovereign status. Interestingly enough, although upset by the end of the Raj (his ambition was to become Viceroy of India) I know that he would have fought tooth and nail to keep us out of our current problems in the sandpit, just as he decried Eden's Suez adventure.

He would. He knew his ancient history (as also, incidentally, did Gen. Sir John Hackett), and knew where the UK's best interests in the Middle East lay, and lie today. He would have made a magnificent Viceroy, which cut-and-run Mountbatten never did

A truly great political mind who deserves to remembered for much more than one (misquoted) speech in which he was actually quoting the Roman poet Virgil.

Exactly so. "Like the Roman, I seem to see Tiber foaming with much blood. We must be mad . . . . " And after Maggie unprecedentedly allowed another sovereign state - Re. of Ireland - to have a guaranteed voice in the governance of part of the UK - N. Ireland - she could not understand Powell's withering rebuke in the House. But he had intellect, unlike her.

Tebbit, a good politician in his own way, doesn't come close.

Tebbit, though a physically courageous man, is neither an original, creative intellect nor (as we Irish put it) "The Man For Galway". Not a statesman, nor a man of destiny. "Doors to manual" is the vogue phrase, I believe . . . .
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