Noncegate

Faced with dwindling supplies of kiddyfiddling media personalities, the Noncefinder general has apparently turned his beady eye on Westminster:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/westminster-child-abuse-allegations-theresa-may-to-make-commons-statement-9588363.html

It would certainly explain why Cyril Smith didn't get prosecuted at the time, he had cross party top cover.

Some journos are asking why the Thatcherite junta's home secretary Brittan didn't act on the report he was handed about a parliamentary kiddy fiddling ring. No surprise there, dirt of that quality is of immense use to the party whips! After years of Savile, Gadd, Hall and Harris, I wonder how long this one will run....?
 

still staggin

War Hero
Is this why Brittan was given a posting to Europe by Maggie, strange how the files were given to him and they were "lost " after reading.
 

alib

LE
It's just as well Britain's elite schools don't have a fervid culture of sexual bullying waiting to be exposed or the whole establishment could come crashing down.
 
Is this why Brittan was given a posting to Europe by Maggie, strange how the files were given to him and they were "lost " after reading.
If he did, indeed, pass them on then they were lost by the civil servants at the HO although even if that did happen, given the nature of the allegations and the people accused you would have thought he would have kept a close personal eye on the dossier.

However, I rather suspect that any cover-up was because any exposure would topple not only the Government but the Opposition and other prominent members of society and would be too much for the country to bear without totally descending into chaos.
 

bcsack

Old-Salt
Our intrepid 2ic announced on the news earlier that they would "get to the bottom of it" - IMHO rather poor choice of words. !!
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Norma Tebbit has made his usual sensible comment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10949428/Lord-Tebbit-there-may-well-have-been-a-Government-cover-up-of-child-abuse.html
A veteran former Conservative minister who served in the cabinet with Lord Brittan has said there “may well” have been an establishment cover-up of child abuse in the 1980s.

Lord Tebbit, who served in a series of ministerial posts under Margaret Thatcher at the same time as Lord Brittan, the former Home Secretary, said the instinct of people at the time was to protect "the system" and not to delve too deeply into uncomfortable allegations.
In which case they may well be able to prove that allegations were made and files were presented. However, the actual files will have long ago disappeared - there are suggestions that as many as 114 suffered this fate. But it will be immensely difficult proving actual abuse at this length of time.

Although there are allegations one or two of the perpetrators are still active in politics.

wordsmith
 
Norma Tebbit has made his usual sensible comment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10949428/Lord-Tebbit-there-may-well-have-been-a-Government-cover-up-of-child-abuse.html


In which case they may well be able to prove that allegations were made and files were presented. However, the actual files will have long ago disappeared - there are suggestions that as many as 114 suffered this fate. But it will be immensely difficult proving actual abuse at this length of time.

Although there are allegations one or two of the perpetrators are still active in politics.

wordsmith
Files do get innocently and accidentally shredded you know, just ask Tony Blair about his expenses. Sorry chaps, honest mistake so we'll draw a line under it, shall we?
 
There was also that shenanigans about the Kincora Boys home in the 1970s and early 80s. That wasn't satisfactorily washed up. Private eye at time time said senior London civil servants had been involved in abuse there...other websites name Head Teeth and Lord Louis Mountbottom as regular customers!
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
There is already one potential witness.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950138/Westminster-paedophile-ring-allegations-Scotland-Yard-detectives-trace-victim.html
Scotland Yard has tracked down a child at the centre of an alleged 1980s Westminster paedophile ring who has implicated a senior political figure, The Telegraph can disclose. The man - now in his 40s, whose identity is known to this newspaper - is a successful entrepreneur based in the United States and has given a detailed account of how he was assaulted by the politician.

However, the alleged victim - who was initially willing to co-operate - has so far refused to make a formal statement to British detectives.
I wonder if the publicity surrounding this will cause more to come forward?

Wordsmith
 
There was also that shenanigans about the Kincora Boys home in the 1970s and early 80s. That wasn't satisfactorily washed up. Private eye at time time said senior London civil servants had been involved in abuse there...other websites name Head Teeth and Lord Louis Mountbottom as regular customers!
You'd think that there would have been very little hope for HRH Prince Charles. The two main points of influence in his life were his Uncle Dickie Mountbatten and Laurens van der Post, who fathered a child to a fourteen year old girl.

Happily, the PoW ploughed his own furrow and developed a taste for very old women.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Lots of interesting - and dark - posts on the Cyril Smith thread on this in the last couple of days.
Some of which may not be accurate. Dear old Sally Bercow got presented with a bill for £50,000 for making false allegations. There is every reason to believe some politicians (including some still active in politics) may have been pedophiles. But sorting out fact from rumour is going to be incredibly difficult.

Wordsmith
 
Is this why Brittan was given a posting to Europe by Maggie, strange how the files were given to him and they were "lost " after reading.
It's not strange at all. Brendan Smyth's files "fell behind a radiator" in the Attorney General's office in Dublin so that it took about three years to extradite him to Northern Ireland.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Some of which may not be accurate. Dear old Sally Bercow got presented with a bill for £50,000 for making false allegations. There is every reason to believe some politicians (including some still active in politics) may have been pedophiles. But sorting out fact from rumour is going to be incredibly difficult.

Wordsmith
Wholly agree. At the same time, why pluck an entirely innocent celeb's or politician's name out of thin air and make lots and lots and lots of allegations?

It's why I made the comment on the other thread about witch-hunts and opportunism, and being sure that some of that has gone on.

At the same time, I balance the 'smoke and fire' metric against the 'throw enough shit and it'll stick' one. I'm not making specific allegations but as several people have commented the same names come up over and over from multiple sources.
 
It's not strange at all. Brendan Smyth's files "fell behind a radiator" in the Attorney General's office in Dublin so that it took about three years to extradite him to Northern Ireland.
That's quite plausible, my German tax return for 2011 is also behind a radiator.....in Brendan Smiths case the delay was obviously a case of divine intervention. God wanted him to fiddle more kids, why else didn't his order act against him.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
The biggest single problem is sorting the wheat from the chaff. There are three sorts of accusers in this case:

- Genuine victims
- People making false accusations in the hope of a payout
- The genuinely deluded

Finding the genuine victims and building a case that will stand up in court is a hugely complex task - not least because the perpetrators are rich and powerful and will use every means they can to stop the accusations seeing the light of day.

Wordsmith
 
The biggest single problem is sorting the wheat from the chaff. There are three sorts of accusers in this case:

- Genuine victims
- People making false accusations in the hope of a payout
- The genuinely deluded

Finding the genuine victims and building a case that will stand up in court is a hugely complex task - not least because the perpetrators are rich and powerful and will use every means they can to stop the accusations seeing the light of day.

Wordsmith
I'd also like to add people who think the allegations are probably true and want to 'add weight' to the accusations in the mistaken belief that false accusations will somehow help the victims instead of just muddying the waters.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
The biggest single problem is sorting the wheat from the chaff. There are three sorts of accusers in this case:

- Genuine victims
- People making false accusations in the hope of a payout
- The genuinely deluded

Finding the genuine victims and building a case that will stand up in court is a hugely complex task - not least because the perpetrators are rich and powerful and will use every means they can to stop the accusations seeing the light of day.

Wordsmith
Were it ever thus. But in the genuine cases, one can only hope that the money and power which has afforded protection in the past is no longer enough.
 
There is one person who will have insider knowledge into the murky sexual practices in Whitehall,he has written a book exposing scandal after scandal in Whitehall and yet he omitted a ‘scandal’ he knows more about than most – one that led to banner headlines such as ‘Tory MP two-timed wife with underage gay lover’.
 

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