Non Grad vs Grad

#1
I am starting Sandhurst this Jan and have heard many different things regarding promotion. Pay is clear cut and I know what i'll be getting etc but how long will I stay at certain ranks etc?

I read in another post that I could stay 2Lt/Lt for 5 years and actually do platoon commanders job for that length of time. is that correct? If i stayed for 5 years as Lt and didnt stay platoon commander what else would i be doing? Right now that sounds great to me but i'm sure after some experience I may ahve a different view. Also, I will be captain for 8 years so what are the likely jobs ill ahve in that time. I'm hoping to go to the infantry and haven't had a chance to ask these questions to anyone that knows the answers yet.

One more question, is it right that with a degree you will generally get more office/admin jobs or am I totally off the mark?

cheers for the help.
 
#2
Clearly you have done a great deal of research into your future employment...

msr
 
#3
I actually have asked many people, but everyone has told me different things.

One example of this is a Capt in an infantry reg told me I'd stay Lt for 3 years...see the contradiction there msr? Please dont reply if you are just bored and want to busy yourself by being intentionally obstructive. I asked perfectly valid questions and hoped for valid/helpful answers from professionals.

thanks.
 
#4
At the risk of carrying my grumpiness into another forum, might I suggest that this is a trifle presumptuous to concern yourself with before getting to the front door of the factory? The answers you have received to date will vary - in part because virtually every junior officer will have a different experience and in part because there may be a chance that your question has hacked them off a tad.
Darn. Still a bit grumpy.
 
#5
You don't come across as a graduate or potential Officer material in your poor grammar, spelling mistakes and the basic fact that you are about to undertake a demanding course in under 2 months and appear to know little about what to expect if you get beyond that.
 
#6
Well I'm not a graduate so that's probably why ey? Eeh, the rabble they let in these days! I understand you are bored but I asked for help, if you have negative answers and really wish to express them, write them on a piece of paper and stick it up your arrse!
 
#7
pompey said:
You don't come across as a graduate or potential Officer material in you poor grammar, spelling mistakes
Ho, hum.

msr.
 
#8
msr said:
pompey said:
You don't come across as a graduate or potential Officer material in you poor grammar, spelling mistakes
Ho, hum.

msr
Edited, as I spotted my own mistakes (beofre pointed out!)
Hey, least I had the presence of mind to do so...and I know I'm no Rupert.
 
#9
Pompey - Everyone's spelling is a bit poor on internet posts.... It was hardly that bad was it?

I don't think his questions are all that bad either. Superman - I don't know the answers so I can't help you there. Have you done an infantry fam visit?

Tricam
 
#10
pompey said:
Edited, as I spotted my own mistakes (beofre pointed out!)
:oops:

msr
 
#11
Pompey, you are "no rupert".....well you obviously didn't "come across as potential officer material" which, in a humorous twist of events, is the total opposite of my situation.

Tricam..thank goodness i was thinking no one would be helpful. Yes I've done a couple of infantry visits and have heard different things.
 
#15
I'll see you there superman, I'm in roughly the same boat as you, I'm an ex-uni non grad. From what I've been told, yes we can expect to stay Lt's for at least a year if not 2 longer than our graduate contemporaries. There's a good chance you'll land up as a Coy 2ic early if your regt is short staffed, or else a job at an ATR as a platoon commander, from what my friends have done. If we get to be plt/tp commanders for longer than thats great as far as i'm concerned, longer for my troop to decide they want to shoot me in the back. I've heard nothing with regards admin jobs and grads being more likely to get them, but that could well depend on who you join, and what you're good at. Get on some last minute fam visits if you can! Otherwise you'll have to wait for interviews at Sandhurst.

OC
 
#19
Superman said:
I am starting Sandhurst this Jan and have heard many different things regarding promotion. Pay is clear cut and I know what i'll be getting etc but how long will I stay at certain ranks etc?

One more question, is it right that with a degree you will generally get more office/admin jobs or am I totally off the mark?
Without knowing the detail of your specific enquiry, I can state that it will take you approx 9/10 years to be selected for promotion to Major. Between leaving RMAS and that point, you can reasonably expect to spend 3 years as a 2Lt, Lt and Capt, with commensurate jobs and remuneration to match.

However, no two officers ever seem to follow the same career profile. It is highly likely that you will do a tour as an 'acting' officer of the next higher rank, particularly if we continue to be as heavily committed as we are right now, so it's not all doom, gloom and despondency.

I would also say 'don't worry' about being a non-grad - you have years on your side and with a bit of planning and forethought, you should be able to forge the sort of career that many - including me - would give their eye teeth for.

With regard to 'which degree', it bears no relevance, unless you are off to a 'technical' Corps, and even then you don't necessarily need one to be sponsored by them. For everyone else, it is totally irrelevant - what seems to matter is that you have a Third in Raffia Mat Making - this somehow makes you a better officer.

Enjoy Sandhurst - keep smiling - the friends you make there will last your whole life.

Good luck.

PS I apologise now if my spelling offends anyone.
 
#20
I was in your shoes about 8 years ago (bu**er - getting old, must buy some tweed!) - a 23 year old post university non-grad (due to being easily distracted from my work) going into the factory.

I found the major pain was staying a 2Lt for an age when everyone with a degree got a second pip up after only a few months. Doesn't make a blind bit of difference to how you do the job, or even how people treat you (a subbie is a subbie) but does hit the bank balance rather hard! I found that in junior posts people judge you on what you say and do rather than how many pips you've got.

You will probably find that your second subbie tours will be more specialised and that the time you gain in that rank will open up jobs to you that grads may skip over. You may be able to sell this to yourself as investing time in a good grounding in the basics that will stand you in good stead later.

I worked out that the cost of not having a degree in terms of wages lost compared to grads of the same age was about 30 to 35 K taking into account earlier promotion, seniority in rank etc. Quite a lot really, and I was acting Capt for 18 months too! Should have gone to more lectures.

I don't know exactly how the Length of Service TOS (I'm on Age TOS) will change things, but I understand that a degree still counts as three years seniority, therefore three years "quicker" to qualify for promotion to major. Of course if all the grads on your promotion board are crap (perhaps because they didn't gain the experience from the senior subbie jobs that they skipped over earlier) wheras you are truely awesome and pick up on your first look, then things can be evened out slightly (except for the money you didn't earn on the way...)

My advice would be to harness your fury at non-graduate discrimination and use it to help you dig holes, stamp about and polish stuff for the next 11 months. Believe me you'll have plenty to keep you occupied!

**** edited to sort grammar biffing - is this thread cursed?!
 

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