Noise Induced Hearing Loss and Tinnitus

#1
Iam sure I am not the only tank crewman to suffer both these conditions. When I left in 96 my release medical recorded a 19% hearing loss, very convenient cause at the time the MOD only paid out for a 20% or above loss. Like most I didn't make too much of a fuss cause at the age of 40 I knew it would be hard enough to start a new career without having the 'deaf' tag. The tinnitus had also been with me for years but it was something we just put up with. Despite being a gunnery god for most of my time I don't blame the firing, the problem was working on the tank park from 73-86 not wearing any hearing protection. Chieftain CFT, rev to 2000 rpm and listen for unusual knocking noises...........yes I am sure many remember doing this. Get to the point..........tried to pursue a claim for a few years after leaving but got fed up being patronised, just wondered if anyone out there had a similar experience or actually had some success in getting some recompence?
 
#3
I was told on my final medical my hearing was shot, but if i took the disability route, i wouldnt find work, so i didnt claim. Im pretty sure there is a set time to claim, and probably after 12 years its too long.
 

ugly

LE
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#4
The British legion are willing for free to challenge your assesment for you!
 
#7
My old man was in the RTR for years. He suffers with tinnitus and cannot hear high notes well. He gets a war pension based on his hearing loss attributed to his service.

I've just had a look at the RBL website
and I don't think you can make a claim if 5 years has passed since the cause of your injury/hearing loss. But then again, what do I know?

It might be worth giving them a call, though.

Compensation Claims against the MOD for Personal Injury caused by Negligence

Email: Claims

Telephone +44 (0)20 3207 2163
Fax +44 (0)20 3207 2218

Pensions & Disability Department
The Royal British Legion
Haig House, 199 Borough High Street
London SE1 1AA
 

ugly

LE
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#8
Its not a new claim but a case for revieiwng your original pensionable medical status!
You can claim for deafness, I am over 20 years out and waiting to fail a work medical due to tinnitus and have been told I can still claim a war pension based on my 10 years service!
Mine is mainly due to high end noise such as being delivered by food blenders (both crab and TWA as neither provided any hearring protection for pax!)
 
#11
Thanks for the responses guys, had heard (pardon the pun) the RBL might be able to help, also conscious of a cut off date. Trelawney you will have to say it LOUDER :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

AlienFTM

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#13
I transferred out to the RAPC in 1982. Upon arrival on attachment to 12 Armd Wksp, I learned that the RAMC were going to carry out a hearing test on all ranks.

Come my turn, they (and I) were shocked to discover that the hearing in my right ear was reduced by about 85% especially at higher frequencies. I had been blissfully unaware.

A couple of years later as my end of tour approached, the RAMC returned to repeat the stunt. I was quite surprised to be told that my hearing was entirely normal.

I have always put it down to spending the previous years on CVR(T) with live mike playing into the right ear and wind noise whistling over the boom mike.
 
#14
#15
Hi Why do you not just ask for a review of your disablement. As previous have said the RBL offer a fantastic service they are used to dealing with these issues .I left in 1988 claimed in 1990 was given 1-4 % assessment appealed was given a further 6-14 % appealed, not accepted went for a tribunal with RBL support and was given 20% with a review 3 years after.This took over 2 years but I knew that my hearing and Tinitus were far worse that they were picking up,but it is so difficult to explain and convince anyone,its a bit like the bad back syndrome.
All they have are facts and medical evidence from so called "experts ". The loss of hearing since leaving the service due to age of course is not attributal nor is any other employment .So your release and routine hearing tests are the yardstick i am afraid.
The problem with hearing claims was that they were swamped with claims in the 70s and 80s and for some unknown reason now they will not pay out unless it is assessed at 20% or higher .All other claims are i think lump sum below 20%
At my hearing tribunal the funny thing was the head of the tribunal who had just found in my favour came to the room where myself and the RBL rep were sorting out the paperwork and gave us both a bollocking for not placeing a claim for injuries to my hips, legs, and knee sustained in an on duty RTA. Placed the claim and a month or so later later increased pension.
I would not have claimed for these injuries if he had not told me on release you were not advised well we were not then.
In the case of the Veterans agency i can only also say that they give or gave me a very good service.They answer promptly all letters emails and telephone calls, at the end of the day all they have are your medical records and believe me they have them chapter and verse to refer to. Well good luck, persevere,if you are injured you are entitled to the compensation. The problem with hearing it cant be seen and therefore is a difficult one
 
#16
As I've pointed out in previous threads Audiology is under going huge changes at the moment, I've attended Lectures and seminars on how to work with and prepare cases for Veterans making claims ( including how to spot ones that might be trying to make a less than honest claim).

The majority of hearing tests undertaking when people leave the service aren't undertaken by trained audiologist who have spent 4 years learning their trade, most are undertaken by MA's who are just about compentent and then handed over to doctors who just compare the audiogram to standards, they don't know how to take in lifestyle before and after the loss as a factor and therefore just look at a 40DB hearing loss as mild to moderate and a slight inconvenience and don't really understand the dynamics of tinnitus as they can't throw pills at you to cure it.

What you need to do is try and find an understanding private practise audiologist who has the time to do full assesments ( you can try the NHS but as with most NHS departments they are understaffed and over worked.

HTH

WW

( trainee audiologist)
 
#17
wompingwillow said:
As I've pointed out in previous threads Audiology is under going huge changes at the moment, I've attended Lectures and seminars on how to work with and prepare cases for Veterans making claims ( including how to spot ones that might be trying to make a less than honest claim).

The majority of hearing tests undertaking when people leave the service aren't undertaken by trained audiologist who have spent 4 years learning their trade, most are undertaken by MA's who are just about compentent and then handed over to doctors who just compare the audiogram to standards, they don't know how to take in lifestyle before and after the loss as a factor and therefore just look at a 40DB hearing loss as mild to moderate and a slight inconvenience and don't really understand the dynamics of tinnitus as they can't throw pills at you to cure it.

What you need to do is try and find an understanding private practise audiologist who has the time to do full assesments ( you can try the NHS but as with most NHS departments they are understaffed and over worked.

HTH

WW

( trainee audiologist)
Understand your point but in this guys case they will only refer to his hearing when he was released.I have just been through exactly the same with a friend whos hearing is shot Ex RA and RAF regt . When he left his hearing tests were showing as reasonable allthough he served 6 years RA on FV107 and 6 years as infantymen RAF regt. He had a medical through Vets agency with a doctor here in Spain and the guy wrote that his severe hearing loss was due to noise induced hearing loss attributal to his service.
They show his hearing release medical as OK. I take your point reference unit hearing tests they are poor and of no use.But the problem is when you are having them you do not think will this be sufficient for my future health care.
 
#18
Tinnitus now that rings a bell sorry. The MOD gave block pay outs to settle claims prior to the introduction of mandatory ear defence (plugs or ear defenders) after that they then fought the case that they made ample provision for ear protection and that if hearing loss occurred it was due to not wearing said lug plugs.

Your problem is convincing the board that your hearing loss is a. Service related (after many years) b. Could not have been avoided by wearing issued ear defence. I get a war pension for an non ear problem and can only praise the DWP the service I got from them was excellent.. Good Luck
 
#19
cbgramc said:
Tinnitus now that rings a bell sorry. The MOD gave block pay outs to settle claims prior to the introduction of mandatory ear defence (plugs or ear defenders) after that they then fought the case that they made ample provision for ear protection and that if hearing loss occurred it was due to not wearing said lug plugs.

Your problem is convincing the board that your hearing loss is a. Service related (after many years) b. Could not have been avoided by wearing issued ear defence. I get a war pension for an non ear problem and can only praise the DWP the service I got from them was excellent.. Good Luck
I must be the lucky one then, started on the beasties when it was still Larkspur & Beret, without a smoke box, then Clansman/Staff User & Beret, onto MK1 Bonedome. Then CR1 with staff user as we had no crew guard helmets available at the time. Many hours spent listening to white noise as IFCS interfered with the radios also a ex Goonery Instr, hours spent on the back decks/turret before LFME came along. Total time spent on Panzers, 18 years. And yet my hearing has not been affected at all :? Had my last profesional hearing check 2 years ago and the chap was astounded that I had no ear damage/hearing loss. I do feel for those who have suffered & wish that those who have/are suffering don't have to jump through so many hoops to get the compensation that they deserve. However my eyesight is shite, could that be down to be lased so many times :?
 
#20
Im very suprised VTT, certainly as an ex-gunnery god, id have thought your ears would have certainly be affected, though i suppose its probably us who were shouted at by types like you, who are suffering for it. :)
 

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