Noble lord accustomed to privilege attacks nurses and women

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  1. Lord Mancroft (who he?) has abused his position as a tory peer to make a cowardly attack on the nurses who tended him when he was in hospital for an intestinal infection (yes, he's not gutless it seems).

    He said he was "lucky to be alive" following his stay at the Royal United Hospital, Bath, last August:

    Obviously, his privileged circumstances have had the nasty effect of making him lose touch with reality.

    Edited by Mod to remove irrelevant drivel
  2. What has Palestine got to do with the fact that he was in a dirty ward ?. Is he , because he's a lord, not allowed to voice his complaints. If you actually read the statement he made he criticised some nurses and praised others. He said the hospital was filthy and there have been people saying the same thing for years now, mainly because they are .;I think it's a good thing that someone who will be listened to has said something because if a normal member of the public says anythingg it's completely ignored.
  3. Anyone unfortunate enough (I include myself) to have been a patient in an NHS hospital will know what he said is true - they're fuc king lazy bitches.

    It's the people who know fu ck-all because they've never been in hospital who are outraged, plus the middle classes with their BUPA insurance who wouldn't dream of going to an NHS hospital themselves.
  4. Regardless of the truth or otherwise of his allegations, he abused his position as a peer to voice them in the Lords during a debate. Some years ago, the Editor of the Daily Mail (I think?) used a full page in his paper to berate a traffic warden or policeman for some minor perceived injustice. Same principle.
  5. Sad but true.

    I visited my elderly mother in hospital today. She had been trying to get a glass of water to drink for over an hour before we arrived. Lots of nurses with clipboards looking important just ignored her. Seems the basics are missing.

    The ironic thing is she was a nurse herself and can't understand what's gone wrong. We can't really afford it but she will be going private as soon as possible.
  6. Sixty

    Sixty LE Moderator Book Reviewer
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    Palestine has the square root of fuck all to do with the story you're dripping about. Mind you, I'd expect nothing less of someone with your staggering lack of integrity:

    Still here?

    He said some of the nurses were less than hygenic: Possibly true.

    They talked about nights out and shagging within earshot of patients: More than likely.

    Said he was lucky to be alive after a stay in a NHS hospital: Seems truthful to me.

    Quite how this is an 'abuse of position' is questionable. However since you don't have an honourable bone in your body, may I cordially invite you to do one?
  7. YES, and Lord or not - it's all too true. Not all nurses are as described - a point I think he made - but, my experiences have been identical: lying in filthy ward, with chest drains/ catheter etc, and nurses talking over me about who they'd shagged/ were planning to shag, how pissed they'd been last night/ how hung over today etc etc...

    It's all very well those in charge bleating on about "appropriate channels & procedures for complaining" blah, blah, blah... but -
    1. You're naked (or as good as), esp if in high dependency...
    2. You're anxious/ fearful, in pain/ discomfort...
    3. You're probably drugged/ confused & disorientated...
    4. You're generally in a very dependent state, unsure of what's really going on, and certainly not in a position to start complaining!

    Later, when your head is clearer, and you start to recall things more coherently you're generally only too glad to be getting the hell out, and if you do have the temerity to complain... well, you can be damned sure you'll get nothing but patronising management speak from some "suit".

    The point is that professional nurses should not behave as described, but a significant minority do, and nothing is done about it.

    Whiskeybreath - WTF are you on about?! The man's a member of Parliament (albeit unelected), and it's perfectly proper - indeed his duty - to make such comment on a matter of public interest of which he's had recent direct personal experience.
  8. I think the title of your thread is both sensationilst and untrue.

    His priviliged position meant that somebody gave him 'column inches' and as a result future patients at RUH Bath might get the treatment that they deserve (and have paid for) from the NHS.

  9. Over the years the RUH has been criticised for the low standards of cleanliness.

    A good friend of mine (A retired nurse) has been an inpatient on several occasions and was appalled at the low standards.

    IIRC there was a consultant who was an in patient and he too complained.

    And as for nurses talking over the patients- Spot on Milord- you do forget who might be listening.- but the topics are no different to any workplace chat so it aint fair to tar every nurse based on loose chit chat

    Poor work standards?
    That is sadly my impression of some of todays nurses but I also know there are some very good ones so,

    He had a bad time and spoke up.
    Good but I hope that if he was satisfied he would also have said so!
  10. You post some utter crap - because of Palestine, people shouldn't expect basic standards to be maintained?

    FP, are you one those grey haired blokes that hang around NUS conferences/demos etc with the Socialist Students because no one else will take them seriously?
  11. It's true,

    Too mant fat arrsed nurses standing about scoffing hob nobs rather than sorting the place out...

    My local place is knee deep in shite and all they do is stand (mit hob nobs) and point their f ucking porky fingers at each other

    Idle c unts
  12. Having just lost a close relative, who was reportedly at a palliative care facility, I would aplaud this view, but would add the caveat that it's the exception rather than the norm. But in reallity it should not happen at all.

    Two points in question:

    1. My Dad was in a hospice, and my two sisters were attending to him, when the consultant and physician were having a bedside conversation about dad. The discussion in essence, was about what would ultimately cause his death. The female doctor said to the Consultant, in front of my dad and his two daughters, 'Well ultimately we will find out the cause of death post mortem'.

    Not something you need to hear as the terminally ill patient, nor as a daughter.

    2. Dad sleep was at a premium, he finally managed to close his eyes and some nurses came in to change a bed, recently 'vacated' by another terminally ill patient. She found chocolates left by his inevitable absence, and shrieked 'ooh gooodie'.

    I challenged the nurse, asking her 'do you mind'. She walked up to me, within one foot from my face and said, 'so you want me to shut up then'?

    I replied in the positive, politely. That nurse never spoke to us, or my dad for that matter after that. I know you can't tar everyone with the same brush, but whilst for the most part the experience was positive, I could of kicked off a couple of times. My dad loved tea, but did not have the strength to hold a cup, so they would make him a cuppa and put it on a tray out of reach. I might be a little sensitive, (Cause it was my dad), I did complain politely, to ensure he did not suffer for our disgust.

    I know that you cannot remain 100% compassionate 100% of the time, but this was/is meant to be a palliative care facility.

    If this sort of enterprise falls below the mark, then a 'normal facility' can do exactly the same.
  13. I'm not so sure about that. He recited a list of petty personal points (together with more serious ones about hygeine) with no credible evidence to back up his claims, but as the Telegraph report stated:
    If I'd been one of those (identifiable) nurses I would be deeply unhappy about being publicly, and possibly unjustifiably, excoriated like that. If he had objections to those more serious points, there is a channel through which he, like all of us, can go to complain, and if he felt that the Lords was the place to do it, he could have done it in the accepted manner, when a Minister could have answered him. However, it looks very like he used his position - and the wrong occasion - to give vent to a personal grievance, rather than for the benefit of the NHS-using public, and that's what grates. Believe me, if a Labour peer had done it under a Tory administration, I'd be screaming blue murder, but I expect the same standards of all members of that house....
  14. Sixty

    Sixty LE Moderator Book Reviewer
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    Could you point to anything he said that was untruthful? I include the quote below in that.

  15. How would he know?