No White Police Officers thank you...Were the Met

#1
So please explain what I am supposed to think!


Courtesy of the Telegraph

Question; why did no one else think this was of some importance?

After all even Government recognises the need for more Police Officers!!

White men may wait three years to get into the Metropolitan Police
By Nicole Martin
(Filed: 09/05/2005)

White men wanting to work for the country's largest police force are having to wait up to three years to join under a drive to make it more ethnically diverse.



Under Metropolitan Police rules, recruits waiting for a place at its training centre in Hendon, north London, are prioritised if they speak a second language or have "knowledge or experience of a community group". Government targets stipulate that 25 per cent of officers from the Met must be non-white by 2009. The proportion is currently around seven per cent, although ethnic minorities account for about 17 per cent of all new recruits.

The Met said it wanted to make the force as diverse as possible, but insisted that it did not operate a policy of positive discrimination towards ethnic minorities or other groups.

However, the Metropolitan Police Federation said the new recruitment rules, designed to ensure that the force mirrors the general working population, were "bound to cause resentment".

Glen Smyth, its chairman, said: "All forces have got challenging targets in terms of what make-up the force should be.

"And to try and achieve this they are putting in place policies to recruit more ethnic minorities as soon as possible.

"We have been advised by the Home Office that this does not break the law, but in trying to achieve something that in many ways is laudable they are at the same time discriminating against another group of people. This is not desirable."

Des Keenoy, the Metropolitan Police Federation's constables' chairman, said: "There is positive action which is legitimate, and positive discrimination which is not.

"The line between the two is getting very narrow indeed. The criteria for joining should be the same for all - can you do a very complicated and difficult job as well as the next person?

"We need diversity, we need an eclectic mix of skills and knowledge, but by focusing on certain elements it may be to the detriment of the service overall. It is a debate that needs to be had."

A spokesman for the Met insisted that its recruitment policies did not include "a lowering of standards or a rejection of suitable non-ethnic minority candidates".

He added: "Candidates may in future be prioritised on to intakes at Hendon by virtue of their 'life skills' and second languages, skills that will prove invaluable to the people of London."

But Martin Tiplady, the Met's human resources director, said: "There is the potential that some white males will have waited up to three years to get in."

In February, Sir Ian Blair, the force's commissioner, said it was considering using a quota system to raise the number of ethnic minorities.

He said his force could adopt a similar procedure to the quota system operated in Northern Ireland, where a policy of hiring an equal number of Catholic and Protestant officers applies to its police service.

But he said the use of positive discrimination would be a "last resort" if other measures failed
 

luke

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#3
a complete joke
 
#4
The Sun reported a while back that if you are a batty boy you get priority as well.

I doooo hope the army does not go this way as well.

Edited because you can't spell truncheon.

Shall we wait for the resident Bobbies to comment on how this works before we heap scorn on the MET?

PTP
 
#5
Whats wrong with just selecting from who applies?

More PC madness

The RCMP in Canada tried this a short while back, trying to 'diversify' and ended up with a manning problem. Not enough of the "right" applicants. They had to try to encourage members who had recently left to come back as remounts.
 
#6
RCSignals said:
Whats wrong with just selecting from who applies?

More PC madness

The RCMP in Canada tried this a short while back, trying to 'diversify' and ended up with a manning problem. Not enough of the "right" applicants. They had to try to encourage members who had recently left to come back as remounts.
For more Info see 'British Army' :wink:
 
#7
Got to love this

and the plan to let black policmen join a couple of ranks (or whatever - don't know anything about police career structure) above their white counterparts...

wtf is the world coming to - just because there doesn't happen to be a black uber senior bod at the moment doesn't mean the plod are racist

its turning into a complete farce - where the white heterosexual majority are being descriminated against - how does that work - I'm all for equal opportunities, but this is just racism in a different form

RAGE!!!
 
#8
Things that hack me off about this as a (gasp) white, male, heterosexual copper:

1. "The Sins of the Father" Syndrome: In the 70's and 80's there was some pretty shocking racism in The Met. The senior officers of today were fliers then and sat there thinking "wait until I'm in charge..." and go and do something like this. However, today's kids joining The Job grew up in a totally different environment, especially London and the Southeast (before someone quotes that "Secret Policeman" documentary at me, I think that was a pretty Northwestern English thing, as anyone who's actually been to Oldham will tell you). So we are effectively punishing young white kids for the atittude and behaviour of those who went twenty years before.

2. New Labour Target-itis: We all know how much they love targets. Why an arbitrary figure represents good practice in recruitment is a mystery to me.

3. What message does this send to white serving officers applying for specialisms and promotion?

4. Do the Government want a balkanised police service where people identify themselves primarily in cultural/ racial/ gender or sexual preference groups rather than as police? Military types take note.

5. How many of the ministers, community "experts", Quango-dwellers and other oxygen thieves who come up with these ideas have ever done a days honest coppering on a run-down inncer city estate? None of 'em.

6. Lastly, how many crusading liberal human rights barristers from Cherie's mob will come riding in to defend these guys trying to join and right this injustice? Exactly.

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The problem with ethnic recruitment is extremely complex, and has as much to do with retention and development and the attitudes of London's communities to their police as it does with bums on seats. This really is like using a sledgehammer where in reality you need a scalpel. Meanwhile, those on The Left who despise the police and want us to be nothing more than the intervention wing of social services will be rubbing their hands together.

V!
 
#10
Makes no sense. Surely if a member if a member of the public wants to get into more danger than those serving in most operational theatres by patrolling certain areas of London, then let them.

It's dogsh*t and the Met need sorting out. Surely the Met can be prosecuted for being racist... or is there one rule for those who are black and one for those who are white. Is positive discrimination and needs to be stopped now. Heaven forbid it ever happens in the army.... oh no, you can't join that Scottish Regt as you are a pasty white, ginger bloke. You will have to join that Regt which recruits from Cornwall. Or You can't join that County Regt as you are not Fijian.

Am sure it will happen soon.
 
#11
The fish rots from the head, and The Met is using a tactic straight out of the New Labour Bumper Book of Mendacity.

They are telling white male applicants that they have got a job. They'll just have to wait longer for a start date. This, apparently, is a loophole that means that it isn't discriminatory. It's a shoddy lawyer's trick.

V!
 
#12
Why doesnt someon with some time and money take this head on and launch a law suit against the met and the government for selective racisim, or discrimination on the grounds of ethnicity?

If it gets thrown out, make an appeal, take it all the way to the top. european Human rights court, here we come.

It is only when something like this happens that major instiutions like the govt and the met listen to reason.

New Labour: Positive discrimination, backwards not forwards.
 
#13
It's wholly wrong, and all about meeting targets. Those on the 3 year list (I personally know one who waited 2 and a half years) will get dischuffed with the service and sod off to another force or service, and rightly so.
 
#14
The attempts to make the local force reflect its local ethnic mix is laughable. New York and others tried this and non-whites who had failed their exams were being promoted. The next year eveyone had found a Greek/Mexican/Negro/Irish great-grandparent.

Is the Met ethnic 'identity' done on a self-declaration basis? - as some Civil Service Departments' are.

Does anyone know if the French still post you to another part of the country to avoid local pressures?.
 
#15
Does anyone know if the French still post you to another part of the country to avoid local pressures?
The French have layered policing. The municipal police are civilian and work locally. The Gendarmerie and CRS (etc) are national, are part of the military and are indeed posted to the other end of France so they have less problems coshing the local civil populace. I know this because when I was last in Paris I was stopped and asked directions by a carrier-load of Corsican CRS boys who didn't have a clue where they were!

Most European policing is done in a similar manner, with clueless municipal police backed up by national paramilitaries (for public order) and investigative/ CID agencies for the investigative stuff. The Gendarmerie is analogous, for example, with the Guardia Civil in Spain or the Carabineri in Italy. In America, local sheriffs departments/ State Police/ FBI copies much the same model.

V!
 
#16
Much as I thought - we could cross post police between Muslim & Hindu areas to enable multi-culturalism.

Maybe PSNI would get more Catholic recruits if they were going to get control of Sandy Row. Or maybe not !.
 
#17
So if I understand this correctly, a black muslim homo with low standards will be given preference over a white hetro C of E with higher standards.

Blairs Britain, don't you just love it....
 
#19
Complete madness. Who in their right mind will sit on a waiting list for three years, and who knows probably longer, just to get a posting. I know I would tell them to stick it and go elsewhere. Veg - how does the "you have a job just no start date yet" thing work? Are they members of the force and are they paid?

I realise that having a blend of cultural backgrounds is good in many ways. Similar to having women as well. Reflects society and all that but how can Bliar justify delaying putting more plods on the streets when there is a severe shortage at present? It is like waiting for Godot..........
 
#20
Welcome to Affirmative Action! Been around in the States for several decades now and has polarised more than a few police departments. Most police entrance exams are weighted in favour of minorities 10 sometimes 20% being added to their score. Crimes committed by minority applicants are overlooked to ensure filling quotas. The end result, although a racially diverse force, is one of diminished standards and suspect integrity. Minority officers who are genuinely good suffer the most, embarrassed by their ethnic contemporary products of affirmative action and held under suspicion by white officers until they prove themselves.
 

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