No Six-monthly?

#2
What corps? what rank?

Yes you should have a 6 monthly, if you havent had an asjar, innitiate one yourself on JPA.
 
#3
Jip Travolta said:
I've been royally shafted in my SJAR or whatever they call it these days. Aren't we supposed to get a mid-year appraisal at the six month point first?

:?
Yes, but "supposed to" is the term used.

Did you ask your boss for a mid-year appraisal when it was due?

Under the new way of doing things, that is what should happen!

The important thing is where do you go from here?

Litotes
 
#4
Did you ask your boss for a mid-year appraisal when it was due?
No. I didn't know I could/should.

Under the new way of doing things, that is what should happen!
Ok, fair do's. I'll know next time.

Code:
The important thing is where do you go from here?
Not sure there. Thing is; the cnuts have wrecked a four-year streak of recommendations and their 'beef' with me is really, really petty but they won't change it. Pointless fighting it too as I've not been there long so it'll only make matters worse.

It was also explained to me that I would never be able to compete with 'their lads' [their trade lads] in the SJAR stakes... :roll: WTF?

They also admitted that they had nothing / no criteria with which to judge my work. So just how the f*ck can they judge me?

Cheers, no matter. Out soon. What a farce the Army has become.
 
#5
Jip Travolta said:
I've been royally shafted in my SJAR or whatever they call it these days. Aren't we supposed to get a mid-year appraisal at the six month point first?

:?
Yes treacle, you should have had one, sometimes (like 108*s) we don't get one, story of my life.

If you think it is worth kicking up a stink, do it. Otherwise you will get it 3 days before you get your CR (bladda yadda same same). PM me if you want to know how it works.

Love and wet ones, Dale xxx


*108? Not just yet thanks,I'll write my own if that's ok with you.
 
#6
Jip Travolta said:
Did you ask your boss for a mid-year appraisal when it was due?
No. I didn't know I could/should.

Under the new way of doing things, that is what should happen!
Ok, fair do's. I'll know next time.

Code:
The important thing is where do you go from here?
Not sure there. Thing is; the cnuts have wrecked a four-year streak of recommendations and their 'beef' with me is really, really petty but they won't change it. Pointless fighting it too as I've not been there long so it'll only make matters worse.

It was also explained to me that I would never be able to compete with 'their lads' [their trade lads] in the SJAR stakes... :roll: WTF?

They also admitted that they had nothing / no criteria with which to judge my work. So just how the f*ck can they judge me?

Cheers, no matter. Out soon. What a farce the Army has become.
My follow-up question would be "what, exactly, is your complaint?"

Then, what is the grade and what, roughly, did the script say?

Have you discussed the report with your 1RO?

Litotes
 
#7
Litotes said:
Jip Travolta said:
Did you ask your boss for a mid-year appraisal when it was due?
No. I didn't know I could/should.

Under the new way of doing things, that is what should happen!
Ok, fair do's. I'll know next time.

Code:
The important thing is where do you go from here?
Not sure there. Thing is; the cnuts have wrecked a four-year streak of recommendations and their 'beef' with me is really, really petty but they won't change it. Pointless fighting it too as I've not been there long so it'll only make matters worse.

It was also explained to me that I would never be able to compete with 'their lads' [their trade lads] in the SJAR stakes... :roll: WTF?

They also admitted that they had nothing / no criteria with which to judge my work. So just how the f*ck can they judge me?

Cheers, no matter. Out soon. What a farce the Army has become.
My follow-up question would be "what, exactly, is your complaint?"

Then, what is the grade and what, roughly, did the script say?

Have you discussed the report with your 1RO?

Litotes
Check you out getting all fussy!
 
#8
Litotes said:
My follow-up question would be "what, exactly, is your complaint?"
Is that to me or from me to them?

Code:
Then, what is the grade and what, roughly, did the script say?
B-

As we all know, grades mean shit.

[swearing's censored here now? Blimey]

I made a 'technical error'. On one occasion. No problem admitting it either - I was tired and was having a bad day. Nobody died. Nobody got injured. No money was lost. No extra work for someone else was created. No big deal - at all. Not even the QM's tea went cold. They joked about it and took the piss. I even got a joke 'award' at a function from the 2RO for my balls-up. He said 'it's nothing personal'... ho-ho!' :roll: How we chuckled.

And now, just days laterthis shit? Yes, it's f*cking personal. 2RO is leaving shortly so it's apparent he's done the 'leader of men' thing and stabbed some backs, mine included - like the wretched coward he is.

Code:
Have you discussed the report with your 1RO?
That was who I discussed it with. Said the report had been formulated 'via committee' i.e. 1RO, 2RO and some other. He seemed very uncomfortable with what was in it so I'm assuming it wasn't what he would have put himself... and had been heavily influenced by the 2RO.
 
#9
situation looks simples pimples to me. No mid year + not happy with SJAR = REDRESS + win :)
 
#11
'Soon' - as in five/six years. :wink:

It'll 'give the game away' if I quote the write-up (or even hint at it) so I won't go there. Basically, it said I lacked confidence (ha!) and had made a 'shaky start'. Which is utter BS.

Having just come from SF (incl 3 tour extensions and recommended for promotion four times on the trot by them) I just find all this particularly galling.

I've already passed the 1RO write-up back to him after ammendment so it's too late to redress that I would think.

No matter - I'll just work to job spec now. No more 'can do, will do'.

:)
 
#12
Jip Travolta said:
'Soon' - as in five/six years. :wink:

It'll 'give the game away' if I quote the write-up (or even hint at it) so I won't go there. Basically, it said I lacked confidence (ha!) and had made a 'shaky start'. Which is utter BS.

Having just come from SF (incl 3 tour extensions and recommended for promotion four times on the trot by them) I just find all this particularly galling.

I've already passed the 1RO write-up back to him after ammendment so it's too late to redress that I would think.

No matter - I'll just work to job spec now. No more 'can do, will do'.

:)
Jip, you know that won't work. PM me with what it says if you want, and I will pick out the good bits for you and and the bits you need to redress. Then sell it on the internet. Heheheheeee.

No seriously, if you need a hand, PM me.

Dale T (Scourge of the Earth) xxx
 
#13
I had a similar problem You can only redress fact, it may be his opinion that you are a stroker, thats his opinion and you cannot change that. i submitted a grevience without redress which is your written account of the facts/concerns that will accompany your SJAR. All because i transfered and they got bitter.

Shite i know, but if you had a technical error, that is fact and will never change. But if he stated things that didnt happen you have grounds for redress.

Either way good luck!!!
 
#14
Technical error, fair do's - but to trash someone's chances of promotion because of an uncharacteristic, one-off bad day is way, way beyond reason in my opinion.

There are other ways though. :wink:
 
#15
It is hard to stomach i know, i would write your formal letter to accompany sjar, redress is a word that is banded around to easily when the process is very complex, dependant what rank you are to. In my case it would have been seen at 1 star level and any Bde Comd worth his salt will more than likely back his commanding officer, and only 1 word may be changed in SJAR. the question i asked was does the risk outway the benefit and the answer was no.

Im sure the slug will be able to tell you the detail. if your not happy do what i did and pop smoke!

Good luck
 
#16
I had a similar problem a few years back.

Basically, I didn't get on with my AO and he marked me down from 4 years of A's to a B. The write up was one of those generic ones about gray men with no mention of all my extra curricular activities that year (2 x Functions and I ran 2 x Exercises)

When I attempted to redress it, I was told that the functions were of no consequence and, even though he wasn't even there, the RQMS was responsible for the exercises.

As for the bland write up, I was told that they hadn't written anything bad about me so there was nothing I could do.

I hate to say it but I dont think you will have much luck redressing your SJAR unless you get an interview with someone from Glasgow
 
#17
Jip Travolta said:
Technical error, fair do's - but to trash someone's chances of promotion because of an uncharacteristic, one-off bad day is way, way beyond reason in my opinion.

There are other ways though. :wink:
There are always other ways, but without going into the Revenge thread, you've got to play the game.

HH (Man of Tangerine Jumper) knows that I might be a complete buffoon sometimes, but can help (or know someone who can) if you need it.

Dale T xxx
 
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#18
I was under the impression that from my last RCMO that you shouldn't be dropped a grade on your CR/SJAR without good reason - especially if areas to work on weren't brought out in your mid year/MPAR. If you didn't even get a mid year, then you can't be penalised with a lower grade because you haven't been told the areas you are weak at in order to improve them. In this case, you would be entitled to redress. (This is obviously subject to no major f*** ups!)
 
#19
The reason redress will work in this case (and ALWAYS do incidentially) is because without a mid year telling you your failings, it is safe to assume that you are doing NOTHING wrong. When you then recieve said pants SJAR you have every RIGHT to redress it.

Redress for lack of a 6 monthly are slightly less painful than some people suggest as MCM's are more than used to just giving the redress as they don't have a leg to stand on....... Generally. Complete Tools exempt ofc :)
 

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