No Prison for shoplifters!!

#1
It's just been on the News that the Goverment is considering not jailing shoplifters unless they have used Violence! What do they consider violence? Must retail staff are women and would only need a "HARD" look to be intimadated. Speaking as a store detective who as been stabbed 4 times with knives and twice with syringes, I think this will be a license to steal. Most of the shoplifters I deal with only get a spell inside on average after up to 20 times been caught and usually only get very small fines (Which they won't pay or go out stealing to fund) or Supervision orders.

TONY FFS BUILD MORE PRISONS
 
#2
If that's the case TT then it's up to you to make sure the little sh1tes 'fall down the stairs' at some point in time (even if you have to drag them up the stairs first!!) :twisted: :twisted:
 
#3
Shoplifting is just a misdemeanour in Scotland; nowadays they just get charged and released from the police van. What grips my sh1t is the 12 month wait for the case to come up and they change their plea on the day with 2 police officers and 2 or 3 Crown witnesses having wasted their time turning up.
You can forget the "fall down the stairs" btw; you would be going up the road yourself for that.
 
#4
Another left wing originated drive against crime, no doubt. I just heard some bird on the radio giving some very wooly statements on the policy, which she finished by saying that is was a neccesary measure, as the prisons were close to full, they had jailed so many criminals.

This is rot and drivel of the first degree. The judiciary of this country only give jail sentences to the most prevalent and / or violent offenders. The vast majority of those convicted of crimes in this country are awarded fines, community service or suspended sentences.

The reason our prisons are all overcrowded and full to bursting is not becasue the judiciary have suddenly got a dose of common sense (or been the victims of crime themselves!), it because of the government.

Before this useless shower of sh1t came to power, an average of 2 new prisons were opened each year. Since they came to power, that has dropped to 1. (No prizes for guessing who has been behind that one, saving money etc!) Given B Liars promise to 'be tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime', the combination of diametrically opposed policies, the one stated, the other most definitely not, was always going to end in tears. Unfortunately, it is the man on the street doing the crying. The idiots who run this country are far too cocooned to be victim to the policies (or the policy failures) they have implemented - or not, as the case may be.

Incidentally 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'? Don't make me bloody laugh - it was left wing doctrine which removed the stigma from behaving like a criminal, left wing social engineering and doctrine [don't smack your children / treat them like adults] and a left leaning legal establishment, constantly watering down the punishments for crime (it is societys fault you are a criminal etc) which got us where we are in the first place! And the electorate were stupid enough to believe the same clowns who caused the whole mess would clean up! As Littlejohn says, you coulcn't make it up!) It just goes to show you don't always get the government you deserve.
 
#5
half the shop lifters in brighton at least if not the majority are druggies thats how they fund there habit
take about 6 months to get them to court they go away for a short time come back out nothings changed just a vast amount of money spent
catch them lock them up detox them and have a plan to rehab the useless tossers when they come out
 
#6
Bet they'll still send old grannies to prison though when they can't afford to pay their council tax. And people who flick their ash out of their car windows. This country is just one big joke now.
 
#7
I think it's brilliant when the government starts to use the excuse of prisons being full to reduce sentences or not jail people. Plain common sense would say that you build more prisons - but that concept is obviously far too difficult for politicians to consider. Instead all of the soft alternatives to prison are used and consequently criminals who should be locked up are allowed to maintain their freedom and carry on with their illegal habits!
 
#8
Why don't the MOD use their nice hotel facilities at MCTC Colchester to take in those nice shoplifter chaps and chappessess.I'm sure that doing a wee stint at the hotel will discourage them from ever coming back for a second visit or more. If military personell can go their for lesser crimes I'm sure that shoplifters (THIEVES) can be put to hard work.
 
#9
Horridlittleman said:
I think it's brilliant when the government starts to use the excuse of prisons being full to reduce sentences or not jail people. Plain common sense would say that you build more prisons - but that concept is obviously far too difficult for politicians to consider. Instead all of the soft alternatives to prison are used and consequently criminals who should be locked up are allowed to maintain their freedom and carry on with their illegal habits!
But does not sending people to prison cost more to the tax payer and make them more likely to reoffend? Where does it all end? how many prisons do we have to build?
 
#10
Hardysa said:
But does not sending people to prison cost more to the tax payer and make them more likely to reoffend? Where does it all end? how many prisons do we have to build?
The point is that if you commit a crime that has previously resulted in a custodial sentence then a custodial sentence should still be used. Not having enough prison space should not be an issue. We should build as many prisons as are needed to lock criminals up. I personally don't care if it costs the taxpayer more to keep a criminal in jail. The idea is that jail is a punishment where someone loses their freedom. Also while someone is in jail they cannot reoffend!
 
#11
Penal incarceration is costly and should be reserved exclusively for the most serious cases:

** Wearing t-shirts adorned with derogatory remarks about the Prime Minister.

** Fox-hunting.

** Attributions of homosexuality to police horses.

** Reading the names of UK war dead aloud in the vicinity of Parliament.
 
#12
Stop spending prison budget on TV/Playstation/carpet/fresh food and other such luxuries. Cash saved could be used to build more prisons problem solved........

Model prisons should be straight from the Victorian era and deter you from committing crime.
 
#13
Why all the fuss about prison overcrowding? Does anyone care if they're being packed 10+ to a stinking Victorian cell designed for one? I know I don't.
 
#14
theiftaker said:
Speaking as a store detective who as been stabbed 4 times with knives and twice with syringes
Thieftaker, you sounds like a right lucky b@st@rd :wink:

Good old Blair. Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, eh? Labour have more prisons and more prisoners than the Tories ever had. Yet the numbers keep rising. So much for fighting the causes of crime.
 
#15
TartanJock said:
Why don't the MOD use their nice hotel facilities at MCTC Colchester to take in those nice shoplifter chaps and chappessess.I'm sure that doing a wee stint at the hotel will discourage them from ever coming back for a second visit or more. If military personell can go their for lesser crimes I'm sure that shoplifters (THIEVES) can be put to hard work.
They tried it even looking for fit volunteer crims who were not mad or junkies .They did a week then asked to go back to civi nick :p
 
#16
Saw an American on telly recently talking about the 'zero tolerance' approach to crime reduction in the US. Interestingly, he said that 'appropriate' sentencing for repeat offenders was just as important for reducing crime.

In some parts of America, they don't have a serious car crime problem because on your third conviction for car theft you serve a mandatory 25 years. I believe you can also get a whole life tariff for shoplifting in some states.

Some would argue that America's 'three strikes' rule can be too severe. However, there's no doubt that for many relatively minor crimes, English sentencing policy is far too soft. It's not that unusual to see minor criminals with dozens of convictions who have never been to prison.

If somebody has been fined a few times and they still keep breaking the law, then they need to go to jail, even if their crime is fairly minor. If they continue to offend after jail then we must accept that they can't be rehabilitated and we need to think about locking them up permanently.

I read that most crime in Britain is caused by about 100,000 persistant criminals. Bang them up and we will see a massive drop in crime levels.
 
#17
Horridlittleman said:
The idea is that jail is a punishment where someone loses their freedom. Also while someone is in jail they cannot reoffend!
And here is the problem. To the criminal minded Jail is not a punishment, it's a time out from paying council tax Etc.
 
#18
Yesterday it was a Met Chief of Police spinning a yarn about it being OK to leave your back door unlocked. Today we're being told shoplifting is not really a punishable crime. What bad news not in favour of the decent, hard working human being will fill tomorrows headlines?

I had a dream last night. I picked up a newspaper and the headline was 'Last illegal imigrant deported, all benefits to dole scroungers stopped, grand opening today of 10 new jails, death penalty returns, Blair tells Bush to fcuk off and wipe his own arrse and all troops come home'.
 
#19
I'm sick of this Government - downgrading crimes to the status of traffic offences. Apparently the 'Sentencing Advisory Panel' (no doubt some Government Quango stuffed with left-leaning, labour party appointees - a sinecure for the party faithful) has said that "most cases of persistent shoplifting should be punishable by a community order, even when the offender had failed to comply with such an order in the past".

How can that position be taken by anyone, let alone the body responsible for advising on sentencing? So a persistent shoplifter, having been issued with fixed penalty notices at least once in the past, probably more, will be sentenced to a few hours of cleaning graffiti (which, if other reports are to be believed, are never served properly because of lack of supervisors, H&S etc etc). If they fail to turn up for their 'service', and because they are free to roam 'the community' they can go straight back to the shopping centre and start helping themselves, safe in the knowledge that the worst they will receive is a few more hours of Community Service that they needn't turn up to!!!

Can't we kill the cnuts?

The shoplifters or the Government, either suits me.
 
#20
This has got me thinking. Shoplifting is all about odds. The chance of getting caught versus the value of the goods. As a man with a family and all the usual costs of living surely it would be worth me stealing my weekly groceries etc. If I get caught I get a slap on the wrist. If I don't I save some money and my family eats for free. If I am self employed then there will be no stigma attached to having a criminal record.

What do you think?
 

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