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No more penknives at Scout camp

#1
How sad. I truly despair of the way this country has gone down the plughole.


Britain's blade culture claims another victim ...Scouts' penknives

They are as much a part of Scouting tradition as woggles and singing around the campfire.
But now, as the fight against Britain’s growing blade culture intensifies, Scouts have been told not to take penknives on camping trips.
The Scout Association says the new advice is designed to help reduce intimidation and bullying among its members – but troop leaders last night criticised it as a step too far.
Since Lord Baden Powell founded the movement more than a century ago, Scouts have been taught how to use knives correctly and encouraged to carry them so they would ‘be prepared’ to cut firewood, prepare food or carve tools.
Under the Criminal Justice Act, anyone is legally allowed to carry fold-up knives, such as a Swiss army knife, as long as the blade is less than 3in long, and in recent years the Scout Association guidance has been that parents should carry knives to camps or meetings for their children.
But the new advice published in the official in-house magazine Scouting says that neither Scouts nor their parents should bring penknives to camp except in ‘specific’ situations.
Knife-maker Dave Budd, who runs courses training Scouts about the safe use of blades from his base on Dartmoor, Devon, said the rise in knife crime – up 50 per cent in just one year – demanded ‘clarification’ of the guidance.
He wrote: ‘Scouts often have the need for a good knife, and in the early days every Scout was actively encouraged
to put a knife on their belt. Sadly, there is now confusion about when a Scout is allowed to carry a knife. The series of high-profile fatal stabbings [has] highlighted a growing knife culture in the UK.
‘I think it is safest to assume that knives of any sort should not be carried by anybody to a Scout meeting or camp, unless there is likely to be a specific need for one. In that case, they should be kept by the Scout leaders and handed out as required.’
No one should carry knives around campsites, he also advises.
Last night Sheila Burgin, a troop leader for 4th Sevenoaks Scout Group in Kent, criticised the guidance. She said: ‘The Scout Association doesn’t want to be in trouble for encouraging people to carry knives but I think it is very sad. It is health and safety gone mad.
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‘Scouts by law are allowed to have Swiss army knives. I think this is going too far – you just don’t know when a Scout will need a knife.
‘It is also suggested that the leader keeps control of the knives when they go camping, but I think that is completely wrong. The first Scout Law is “The Scout is to be trusted”. Scouts love having knives and using them properly. There is nothing wrong with it.
‘I offer lessons in carving in which they use the penknives. They love it. I think it’s important. If you teach children to use a knife properly they won’t abuse it. If someone wants to cause harm they will do it anyway. It is a real shame it has come to this.’
Last night a Scouts spokesman defended its policy, saying: ‘The Scout Association plays a key role in helping young people develop the confidence, maturity and self-esteem they need to play active and responsible roles in their communities, and to resist the peer pressure that may attract them into local gang culture.
‘We believe that young people need more places to go after school and at weekends, where they can experience adventure without the threat of violence or bullying and the need to carry weapons.
‘Scouting helps to prepare young people with valuable life skills, while keeping them safe by not carrying knives.
 
#3
No wonder this country is in the doodoo.
Instead of teaching kids how to have and use knives responsibly as a tool they simply ban their use.
Can they not see how this will conribute to making the problem worse?
 
#4
When I were a lass (a very long time ago) we all had knives. We used them sensibly (apart from playing knifey knifey) and I don't think any of us went on to carry them around beyond childhood. Why can't the PC brigade let kids have fun and enjoy their childhood whilst picking up some useful skills like independence and self sufficiency.
 

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#5
Thats pure crazyness, teaching kids the right and proper use of, storge off and how to use knives in a structured environment like the scouts should be encouraged, rather than banning their use and therefore making them a more desirable item for kids who will then proceed to mess around with them.
 
#7
fairmaidofperth said:
When I were a lass (a very long time ago) we all had knives. We used them sensibly (apart from playing knifey knifey) and I don't think any of us went on to carry them around beyond childhood. Why can't the PC brigade let kids have fun and enjoy their childhood whilst picking up some useful skills like independence and self sufficiency.
Because they might grow up to be independent and self-sufficient?
 
#10
Hmmm.

A quick quiz... spot the difference.


A Boy Sprout


Kinfe weilding scum

Fcuk sake, what is going wrong with this country.

Knife and gun bans to reduce crime... because that is working out so well :roll: fcuking retards.

Can't wait to p1ss of to Oz, Canada or NZ. Hopefully before such lunacy catches on down there.
 
#11
About half the kids in my troop went on to be members of the forces mainly Royal Marines,The Late Ted Kelland a well known RM pti, was my patrol leader and Gabby Rees who was killed in the Falklands in a RTA in 1969 was another,Phil Singelton who went on to be one of "them" was my second when when I made the dizzy hights of patrol leader,

Don't go on about OPsec as Phil has a website that says he was Ex SAS
 
#12
tropper66 said:
About half the kids in my troop went on to be members of the forces mainly Royal Marines,The Late Ted Kelland a well known RM pti, was my patrol leader and Gabby Rees who was killed in the Falklands in a RTA in 1969 was another,Phil Singelton who went on to be one of "them" was my second when when I made the dizzy hights of patrol leader,

Don't go on about OPsec as Phil has a website that says he was Ex SAS
What's that got to do with banning knives at Scout camp?

I don't mind if they go on to sell paper for a well known paper firm in Slough. Youth organisations such as these instill all kinds of good stuff in to the kids, IIRC I used to take my little Swiss Army Knife on camps, used it for all kinds of good stuff.

Didn't knife anyone, threaten anyone... in fact I had a real good time.

And learnt how to light fires even in the wet :D

Half the stuff I used to do would never be allowed now.

Camping in nothing more than a plastic sheet with the local Nature Club at a lake.

Op Hazard, which included swapping a car wheel, and making stretchers and similar.

CLimbing hils, and camping well away from civilisation and the adults ?

Making rafts for races on rivers.

This is why our kids are fcuking rioting in the streets. Because cnuts make these sort of cnutish rules, which then stop kids stretching their minds and bodies in controlled ways. So instead they start knifing each other.

Yes, I appreciate the above is a little abbreviated. But it still stands true. Don't allow kids to develop in any meaningful way, and they'll develop another way.

All because we have a bunch of mongtards in power who can only think of legislation and bans as a way to control things. Because they actually have not a single brain cell between them, they listen to bigger mongtards about such matters as knives, etc.

It isn't too long ago that they were all scared of the Wasp Knife... and that this £300 pound kniving knife was going to be THE next big thing in knife crime... as opposed to the Asda knives for a couple of quid.

Then there was the drain pipe, formerly a 66mm LAW, which alledgedly could kill a tank at 100m.... er no it can't it's been fired. (handed in to a Dorset Police amnesty :D )
 
#13
chocolate_frog said:
tropper66 said:
About half the kids in my troop went on to be members of the forces mainly Royal Marines,The Late Ted Kelland a well known RM pti, was my patrol leader and Gabby Rees who was killed in the Falklands in a RTA in 1969 was another,Phil Singelton who went on to be one of "them" was my second when when I made the dizzy hights of patrol leader,

Don't go on about OPsec as Phil has a website that says he was Ex SAS
What's that got to do with banning knives at Scout camp?

I don't mind if they go on to sell paper for a well known paper firm in Slough. Youth organisations such as these instill all kinds of good stuff in to the kids, IIRC I used to take my little Swiss Army Knife on camps, used it for all kinds of good stuff.

Didn't knife anyone, threaten anyone... in fact I had a real good time.

And learnt how to light fires even in the wet :D

Half the stuff I used to do would never be allowed now.

Camping in nothing more than a plastic sheet with the local Nature Club at a lake.

Op Hazard, which included swapping a car wheel, and making stretchers and similar.

CLimbing hils, and camping well away from civilisation and the adults ?

Making rafts for races on rivers.

This is why our kids are fcuking rioting in the streets. Because cnuts make these sort of cnutish rules, which then stop kids stretching their minds and bodies in controlled ways. So instead they start knifing each other.

Yes, I appreciate the above is a little abbreviated. But it still stands true. Don't allow kids to develop in any meaningful way, and they'll develop another way.
Sorry if you did not get my drift, Iwas trying to show that the Boy Scouts were a good grounding for kids who caught the scouting bug and carried it on into the forces, this is now almost imposible due to the amount of PC rules and regulations that have imposed and most of the Scout and youth leaders I know are leaving because of the vast amount of BS they now have to put up with
 
#14
You may as well be having this discussion in the queue to the gas chamber.
There's no point having any more of these 'Is it just me or is that ridiculous?' discussions
Yes it's all ridiculous and yes it's been done on purpose to destroy the country.

So what are you going to do about it?
 
#17
What gets me about all this sh1te is, who the FCUK are these people to say that THEY can have these things (insert knife, gun, explosives, fireworks, whatever) and WE cannot? What makes some scumbag trendy liberal so bl00dy safe to be allowed these things and not the general public?

S0d silly Swiss Army knives, they are too flimsy, I used to carry a six-inch sheath knife for most of my younger life many centuries ago. I carried my knife wherever and whenever I wanted to, and never misused it ever; any more than any other member of this forum would.

Handing them out as needed? I can't think of anything more insulting to the decent kids, and who the FCUK is that person to say "I can be trusted, but you can't". Just like the scumbag coppers who say we aren't allowed handguns any more and then blast the heck out of a Brazilian electrician.

Might it possibly be that we knew right from wrong, and actually had a fear of a punishment that we knew would be just and lawful and certainly imposed?
 
#18
Picasso said:
You may as well be having this discussion in the queue to the gas chamber.
There's no point having any more of these 'Is it just me or is that ridiculous?' discussions
Yes it's all ridiculous and yes it's been done on purpose to destroy the country.

So what are you going to do about it?
+1. Spot on. After you have realised that no-one could be that stupid, you have to eventually come to the conclusion that it must therefore be deliberate.

Actually, the definition of a liberal trendy or socialist is that they ARE that stupid, but that's another thread...
 
#19
Coppers didn't say we couldn't have guns, although in both cases of high profile shooting (Hungerford and Dunblane) had the police acted on the clearely stated guidelines and rules, neitehr shooter would have had weapons (IIRC).

Mistersoft, I think "Bob a job" week is now agains tteh european human rights for children act or somethign.. They can't be made to work, or encouraged to work for less than minimum wage. And it falls foul begging, child prostitution laws, health and safety and a myriad of other rules.

And don't ever try to ask for a peny for the guy!!!
 
#20
johnboyzzz said:
can't have fires either unless they have a fire engine present and sat 100m away from it
Christ are you mad? It should be much closer than that, its just that sort of reckless and cavalier behaviour that puts young people's lives at risk. Each person around the fire should also be issued with a personal fire blanket too.
 

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