No More Junior Soldiers

elovabloke

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#1
I see the joined up thinking "Think Tank" is in operation again. This from a Guppyment that cannot get 12 year olds to stay in school

No More MDN's hooorrraaa. Bloody brats were nothing but trouble anyway.
 
#2
From the BBC article...

The change will not mean that pupils have to stay in the classroom, but they will have to continue to receive training.
Kids will still be able to leave school and a get a job at 16, providing that they are provided with formal training which leads towards a recognised qualification while in that job.

DCFS Document

At the Army Foundation College, students

achieve Level 2 or 3 NVQs (equivalent to GCSE and A levels) in six key skills, including the application of number, communication skills and information technology.
...which satisfies the requirement.
 
#3
What about JE soldiers not at Harrogate? Do the Key Skills ticks in boxes and any other transefrable quals give them the same to allow dropping of school at 16?

And what if they are jsut crap at school and don't get those quals from there? Do you keep them in education until they're 26?
 

elovabloke

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#4
That covers Harrogate however I fail to see how they will be able to implement controls for those that jack it during training.
 
#5
django_strikes said:
What about JE soldiers not at Harrogate? Do the Key Skills ticks in boxes and any other transferable quals give them the same to allow dropping of school at 16?
The Level 2 Certificate in Wider Key Skills that is gained at the Army Training Regiment (ATR) at Bassingbourn certainly ticks the box, as an accredited qualification.

Not being an expert, I don't know if there are any other routes into the army aged 16 or 17.

django_strikes said:
And what if they are just crap at school and don't get those quals from there? Do you keep them in education until they're 26?
No, they only have to participate in education or training until their 18th birthday.
 
#6
Is this the same Government that wanted/want to give 16 year olds the vote and are now forcing them to stay in education until 17?

Do they actually have a cucking clue about anything these muppets?
 

Graa

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#7
Before we all hop on to the outrage bus, it should be clarified that 'education' doesn't equate to 'school'.

Kids won't be forced to stay in school. Instead they'll actually have to go and do something practical with whatever academic qualifications they achieved. For some that could be going to college for more academic stuff, for others it could be getting on-the-job qualifications as a builder/carpenter/electrician/basket weaver, and for some it will be to go to Harrogate or Winchester.

I think it's a good thing. Now little Johnny who failed all his GCSEs for being a disrespectful chav mong will actually have to go and get a qualification(s) in something practical to stop him being a further waste of state resources.

The only danger is if the lowest acceptable form of post-GCSE education really is basket weaving.
 
#8
As mentioned above, they can´t keep the kids in at the current age. how are thy going to tackle this.
 
#10
The changes have been introduced because ministers estimate there are some 189,500 young people aged between 16 and 18 who are not in education, employment or training.
Isn't it just another desperate measure to reduce unemployment figures?

Quick! Only seven more years to find some more teachers - hopefully qualified in their teaching subjects. :roll:
 
#11
putteesinmyhands said:
The changes have been introduced because ministers estimate there are some 189,500 young people aged between 16 and 18 who are not in education, employment or training.
Isn't it just another desperate measure to reduce unemployment figures?

Quick! Only seven more years to find some more teachers - hopefully qualified in their teaching subjects. :roll:
I would wager that a fair few of the 189,500 quoted, whilst not in "education, employment or training" are doing very nicely thank-you.

...Drug dealing, prostitution, shop-lifting, thieving and mugging. Typical government take on the young, as being a group of idle, good for nothings, with no education and prospects.
 

elovabloke

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#12
Graa said:
on-the-job qualifications as a builder/carpenter/electrician/basket weaver,
Getting company's to employ someone and then get them released or do on the job NVQ or other training is proving to be imposable.

Even giving employers incentives to take on apprentices is not going well so as with the 14-16 who schools have kicked out it's of to college with you my lad. Oh and buy the way we aren’t going to pay most of you for going either.

Being a governor at our FE College these are problems, sorry challenges we face every year.
 

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