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#4
auxie said:
what a terrible thing to say george :D :D
Maybe we could just brandish a few Tasers at those considering coming here, purely as a deterrent of course :wink:
 
#5
That's the problem with tasers. Yes, they're a better alternative than shooting with a real gun in some circumstances, but I can't help but feel their very non-lethality means they'll be reached for long before the second-from-last resort just because the bearer is fed up talking to the suspect.

There's less incentive IMO to think through the act befoer using the weapon.
 
#6
smartascarrots said:
That's the problem with tasers. Yes, they're a better alternative than shooting with a real gun in some circumstances, but I can't help but feel their very non-lethality means they'll be reached for long before the second-from-last resort just because the bearer is fed up talking to the suspect.

There's less incentive IMO to think through the act befoer using the weapon.
Interesting article on this subject yesterday on Radio 4, we seem to have it under control in the UK were every use has to be recorded and justified unlike the US or Canada. people seem to forget the alternative as well, I suspect that they're a better alternative than shooting with a real gun in all circumstances really.
 
#7
IT_Guy said:
smartascarrots said:
That's the problem with tasers. Yes, they're a better alternative than shooting with a real gun in some circumstances, but I can't help but feel their very non-lethality means they'll be reached for long before the second-from-last resort just because the bearer is fed up talking to the suspect.

There's less incentive IMO to think through the act befoer using the weapon.
Interesting article on this subject yesterday on Radio 4, we seem to have it under control in the UK were every use has to be recorded and justified unlike the US or Canada. people seem to forget the alternative as well, I suspect that they're a better alternative than shooting with a real gun in all circumstances really.
Cept maybe if the person is too far away? Or has his hand on some sort of button?
 
#8
smartascarrots said:
There's less incentive IMO to think through the act befoer using the weapon.
Twice FFS!!

Seconds later, Mr Dziekanski is stunned by a Taser and falls down screaming and convulsing.

He is stunned a second time, and then the police officers restrain him on the floor. Mr Dziekanski's screams die down, and he is seen lying still.
Can anyone explain why he got the second tasering because that seems to be what did for him.
 
#10
Strait_Jacket said:
smartascarrots said:
There's less incentive IMO to think through the act befoer using the weapon.
Twice FFS!!

Seconds later, Mr Dziekanski is stunned by a Taser and falls down screaming and convulsing.

He is stunned a second time, and then the police officers restrain him on the floor. Mr Dziekanski's screams die down, and he is seen lying still.
Can anyone explain why he got the second tasering because that seems to be what did for him.
Because he was an illegal? :wink:
 
#11
EX_REME said:
Strait_Jacket said:
smartascarrots said:
There's less incentive IMO to think through the act befoer using the weapon.
Twice FFS!!

Seconds later, Mr Dziekanski is stunned by a Taser and falls down screaming and convulsing.

He is stunned a second time, and then the police officers restrain him on the floor. Mr Dziekanski's screams die down, and he is seen lying still.
Can anyone explain why he got the second tasering because that seems to be what did for him.
Because he was an illegal? :wink:
I don't understand why those four big Cannuk rozzers didn't just jump him? Health & Safety?

Witnesses say he appeared to pick up a stapler
Ah, that explains it. A scary stapler...



:roll:
 
#12
IT_Guy said:
smartascarrots said:
That's the problem with tasers. Yes, they're a better alternative than shooting with a real gun in some circumstances, but I can't help but feel their very non-lethality means they'll be reached for long before the second-from-last resort just because the bearer is fed up talking to the suspect.

There's less incentive IMO to think through the act befoer using the weapon.
Interesting article on this subject yesterday on Radio 4, we seem to have it under control in the UK were every use has to be recorded and justified unlike the US or Canada. people seem to forget the alternative as well, I suspect that they're a better alternative than shooting with a real gun in all circumstances really.
There's always going to be circumstances where it's necessary to kill the subject rather than take the risk that stunning them will work. I'm not arguing that tasering isn't generally preferable to shooting, just that talking is generally far preferable to either.

Non-lethal weapons are far more likely to get used than lethal ones, to my mind, because the consequences to the user are far less. My concern is that their use here seems to have been driven by frustration rather than anything genuine risk.
 
#13
a_nony_mouse said:
auxie said:
what a terrible thing to say george :D :D
Maybe we could just brandish a few Tasers at those considering coming here, purely as a deterrent of course :wink:
Wow! Just think of the logistics involved. You'd have to set up an 'Imigration Deterrent Force' (Deterrent being the operative word :wink: ) to travel around the entire world and members being armed with Tasers and expense accounts.



Can I volunteer to be a Imigration Deterent Officer ANM?
 
#14
annakey said:
EX_REME said:
Strait_Jacket said:
smartascarrots said:
There's less incentive IMO to think through the act befoer using the weapon.
Twice FFS!!

Seconds later, Mr Dziekanski is stunned by a Taser and falls down screaming and convulsing.

He is stunned a second time, and then the police officers restrain him on the floor. Mr Dziekanski's screams die down, and he is seen lying still.
Can anyone explain why he got the second tasering because that seems to be what did for him.
Because he was an illegal? :wink:
I don't understand why those four big Cannuk rozzers didn't just jump him? Health & Safety?

Witnesses say he appeared to pick up a stapler
Ah, that explains it. A scary stapler...



:roll:
Because in 99% of cases four cops manhandling a violent suspect onto the ground and securing him is far more likely to hurt the suspect than tazering him. As for the other 1%, well sh#t happens.
 
#15
I just saw this thread, otherwise I would have responded earlier. The fact that the man was an immigrant is immaterial here. It could have been you, furious after the airlines lose your luggage for the tenth time. He came to see his mother, who lives in Canada. He obviously had mental problems and was agitated, but was not a danger to anyone; in fact many people, including women, went to him to calm him down. The police of course lied initially, saying that he was threatening, etc. In fact, they walked straight up to him and electrocuted him.

I hope they'll one day ban t*sers. The fact that they're not lethal and provoke intense pain without leaving any trace should be an argument in favour of a ban.

Now since the video has surfaced, there'll be an inquest, which will last at least one year and of course, no one will be blamed.
 
#16
The Police here trialled Tasers for some time but in the end decided against their use. However, the boys in blue have been finding plenty of Tasers in searches of properties owned/occupied by crims/drug dealers/gangs. Together with the usual crop of firearms that is of course.
 
#17
mr.fawlty said:
I just saw this thread, otherwise I would have responded earlier. The fact that the man was an immigrant is immaterial here. It could have been you, furious after the airlines lose your luggage for the tenth time. He came to see his mother, who lives in Canada. He obviously had mental problems and was agitated, but was not a danger to anyone; in fact many people, including women, went to him to calm him down. The police of course lied initially, saying that he was threatening, etc. In fact, they walked straight up to him and teasered him.

I hope they'll one day ban teasers. The fact that they're not lethal and provoke intense pain without leaving any trace should be an argument in favour of a ban.

Now since the video has surfaced, there'll be an inquest, which will last at least one year and of course, no one will be blamed.
Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.
 
#19
filthyphil said:
mr.fawlty said:
I just saw this thread, otherwise I would have responded earlier. The fact that the man was an immigrant is immaterial here. It could have been you, furious after the airlines lose your luggage for the tenth time. He came to see his mother, who lives in Canada. He obviously had mental problems and was agitated, but was not a danger to anyone; in fact many people, including women, went to him to calm him down. The police of course lied initially, saying that he was threatening, etc. In fact, they walked straight up to him and teasered him.

I hope they'll one day ban teasers. The fact that they're not lethal and provoke intense pain without leaving any trace should be an argument in favour of a ban.

Now since the video has surfaced, there'll be an inquest, which will last at least one year and of course, no one will be blamed.
Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.
Thought they shut teasers down ages ago. I dont know what anyone does when they go out in med hat now....
 
#20
LEGZ30 said:
annakey said:
EX_REME said:
Strait_Jacket said:
smartascarrots said:
There's less incentive IMO to think through the act befoer using the weapon.
Twice FFS!!

Seconds later, Mr Dziekanski is stunned by a Taser and falls down screaming and convulsing.

He is stunned a second time, and then the police officers restrain him on the floor. Mr Dziekanski's screams die down, and he is seen lying still.
Can anyone explain why he got the second tasering because that seems to be what did for him.
Because he was an illegal? :wink:
I don't understand why those four big Cannuk rozzers didn't just jump him? Health & Safety?

Witnesses say he appeared to pick up a stapler
Ah, that explains it. A scary stapler...



:roll:
Because in 99% of cases four cops manhandling a violent suspect onto the ground and securing him is far more likely to hurt the suspect than tazering him. As for the other 1%, well sh#t happens.
True or wishful thinking?
 

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