No luck this time...

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Invicta,

Agreed. We're clearly not working hard enough in the Corps or contributing to success! Disappointed not to see a single INT CORPS honour on the list - I also thought that our former esteemed leader would merit a pat on the back. I can tell you that 2 MI Bn did, at least, have the pleasure of announcing a GOC's Commendation on New Year's eve. Not much you might add, but for the soldier concerned it means something and it was thoroughly deserved.

We used to see quite a lot of honours and awards in the Corps and whilst we still pick up a few in the Operational Honours list, I think these have also tailed off in the post Op BANNER world. Are we really amateurs doing a mediocre job or just crap at writing up our guys and girls?
 
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johnny_english said:
Invicta,

Agreed. We're clearly not working hard enough in the Corps or contributing to success! Disappointed not to see a single INT CORPS honour on the list - I also thought that our former esteemed leader would merit a pat on the back. I can tell you that 2 MI Bn did, at least, have the pleasure of announcing a GOC's Commendation on New Year's eve. Not much you might add, but for the soldier concerned it means something and it was thoroughly deserved.

We used to see quite a lot of honours and awards in the Corps and whilst we still pick up a few in the Operational Honours list, I think these have also tailed off in the post Op BANNER world. Are we really amateurs doing a mediocre job or just crap at writing up our guys and girls?
That gets my vote.
 
#5
Guess we're all too lazy to go out and earn medals... either that or too sneaky and nails. :|
 
#6
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
johnny_english said:
Are we really amateurs doing a mediocre job or just crap at writing up our guys and girls?
or has it just got a lot more competitive over the last 5 years?

welcome back johnny!
CR,

I've never really been away!

If you boil this down, you'll soon realise that I was hugely disappointed not to receive an MBE, OBE, HGV or HIV in the New Years Honours list. I can't help it, I suffer from the recently diagnosed medical condition of 'Gong Envy' which manifests itself in a deep burning sensation in the pit of the stomach and a flushed complexion akin to tremendous embarrasment each time I attend a Corps dinner!

Having missed Iraq completely, even my impending return to Afghanistan won't result in another gong! It's been 7 long years without so much as a chocolate button! I know, I know, get some time in you'll say but my gong envy is getting worse!!! Help!
 
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johnny_english said:
If you boil this down, you'll soon realise that I was hugely disappointed not to receive an MBE, OBE, HGV or HIV in the New Years Honours list. I can't help it, I suffer from the recently diagnosed medical condition of 'Gong Envy' which manifests itself in a deep burning sensation in the pit of the stomach and a flushed complexion akin to tremendous embarrasment each time I attend a Corps dinner!

Having missed Iraq completely, even my impending return to Afghanistan won't result in another gong! It's been 7 long years without so much as a chocolate button! I know, I know, get some time in you'll say but my gong envy is getting worse!!! Help!
Dear Deirdre

I feel inadequate as my gong isn't as big as other gongs and when I am with the boys doing what we do I feel very embarrassed as my gong doesn't match the other guys gongs. My other half has started looking at other gongs recently and I am worried that my other half will leave me for a guy with a bigger gong. What do I do?

Johnny English

Dear Johnny English

Size doesn't matter dear. If your partner really loves you they won't be overwhelmed by the massive gongs on display. Always remember that your gong is special and that you earned it. I have added a helpline which you can dial GONG ENVY AND HOW TO COPE. I hope you realise that your gong is perfectly normal and that worrying about other peoples gongs is just a passing phase.

Deirdre
 
#9
Surely the obvious answer is nobody did anything worthy of an award; there's nothing that says somebody in the Int Corps has to get an award every year.
 
#10
At least we haven't gone down the RAF route whereby every WO who has spent 5 1/2 weeks outside of Lincolnshire recieves a Meritious Service Medal, despite whinging like t**ts because it involves a 2 1/2hr trip home every Friday from London! C**nts!!!
 
#11
Don't talk a load of old shat! Just because they're outside Lincolnshire doesn't mean they're in Mauritius. And anyway, there's no war in Mauritius right now. I'd know if there was. And as for the notion that it takes 2 and a half hours to get back from the Indian Ocean, you are feckin' trippin' fella!
 
#12
Now, we live in interesting times. I read recently that the RAF Regt is to adopt the LCpl rank. The reason for this is that it enables a better demarcation between Cpls (as sect comds) and SACs (who are not JNCOs), with the LCpl rank providing and appropriate place for the appointment of sect 2IC. I don't know whether selection for LCpl from SAC will be done on merit (which will make it the exception in the land of RAF promotions) or whether LCpls will be selected by seniority from SAC.

It does not matter in any case, as this will provide clear evidence to the RAF in Joint units, that an RAF Cpl is an NCO, not JTs, SACs, etc. and that maybe, just maybe, RAF ranks do not have the equivalent that the RAF hierachy "wants them to have", but the equivalent that they actually have. It was amusing a few years back, for exactly the same reason, when the Royal Navy adopted the WO2 rank, which made the RAF the odd one out.

I can almost hear the chuntering of the RAF WO fraternity now.

By the way, Mauritius is supposed to be quite warm this time of year - I wouldn't mind a det there, whether I got a medal or not...
 
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deerhunter said:
Now, we live in interesting times. I read recently that the RAF Regt is to adopt the LCpl rank. The reason for this is that it enables a better demarcation between Cpls (as sect comds) and SACs (who are not JNCOs), with the LCpl rank providing and appropriate place for the appointment of sect 2IC. I don't know whether selection for LCpl from SAC will be done on merit (which will make it the exception in the land of RAF promotions) or whether LCpls will be selected by seniority from SAC.

It does not matter in any case, as this will provide clear evidence to the RAF in Joint units, that an RAF Cpl is an NCO, not JTs, SACs, etc. and that maybe, just maybe, RAF ranks do not have the equivalent that the RAF hierachy "wants them to have", but the equivalent that they actually have. It was amusing a few years back, for exactly the same reason, when the Royal Navy adopted the WO2 rank, which made the RAF the odd one out.

I can almost hear the chuntering of the RAF WO fraternity now.

By the way, Mauritius is supposed to be quite warm this time of year - I wouldn't mind a det there, whether I got a medal or not...
Not anything to do with even more cuts whereby the RAF is broken up and split between the Army and the Navy by any chance? Part of an ongoing review.
 
#14
Perevodchik said:
Don't talk a load of old shat! Just because they're outside Lincolnshire doesn't mean they're in Mauritius. And anyway, there's no war in Mauritius right now. I'd know if there was. And as for the notion that it takes 2 and a half hours to get back from the Indian Ocean, you are feckin' trippin' fella!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#16
What has gone largely unreported on Arrse is that we had FOUR Meritorious Service Medals awarded to people in 1 MI Bde. Firstly, congratulations to the recipients. Secondly, well done to those who put the nominations forward.

However, I do agree actually. We are pretty poor at writing people up for awards aren't we? I believe that it is a combination of not bothering and not knowing how to write up a sufficiently good citation. In addition, you would have thought that we should have had more awards from the operational lists.

The way forward is:

All of you, suggest nominations to your CoC. But don't just mention it in passing, start the ball rolling yourselves, get hold of the F Hons 776 (or whatever the new JPA version is called these days), draft it, then pass to your boss. The CoC will then, gradually, gain valuable experience in the 'very specific' way of writing/editing the citation before putting it forward.

This applies to deployed personnel as well; I would like to see more drafting in house from those on tour. The system is simple and straight forward; pass the completed F Hons 776 to the G1 staff in your deployed HQ and they'll do the rest!

Now, given how the filtering system works, not all nominations will result in an award (correctly so). So we need to be prepared for a few disappointments but that should not prevent us putting nominations forward.

For those involved in the editing process, why not contact the writers of the four MSM citations mentioned above and have a look at the quality required?

In conclusion, the more nominations the better. Let's grasp this now and have a Corps surge this year.
 
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WhoBeTheDaddyNowThen said:
What has gone largely unreported on Arrse is that we had FOUR Meritorious Service Medals awarded to people in 1 MI Bde. Firstly, congratulations to the recipients. Secondly, well done to those who put the nominations forward.

However, I do agree actually. We are pretty poor at writing people up for awards aren't we? I believe that it is a combination of not bothering and not knowing how to write up a sufficiently good citation. In addition, you would have thought that we should have had more awards from the operational lists.

The way forward is:

All of you, suggest nominations to your CoC. But don't just mention it in passing, start the ball rolling yourselves, get hold of the F Hons 776 (or whatever the new JPA version is called these days), draft it, then pass to your boss. The CoC will then, gradually, gain valuable experience in the 'very specific' way of writing/editing the citation before putting it forward.

This applies to deployed personnel as well; I would like to see more drafting in house from those on tour. The system is simple and straight forward; pass the completed F Hons 776 to the G1 staff in your deployed HQ and they'll do the rest!

Now, given how the filtering system works, not all nominations will result in an award (correctly so). So we need to be prepared for a few disappointments but that should not prevent us putting nominations forward.

For those involved in the editing process, why not contact the writers of the four MSM citations mentioned above and have a look at the quality required?

In conclusion, the more nominations the better. Let's grasp this now and have a Corps surge this year.
Daddy

This is a very good post, but the wrong forum I feel. Should this not be pushed out in the next version of Cognitio. It maybe just ignorance to the fact that people are not being written up for awards. I agree, lets not let this surge of 4 MSM's be a flash in the pan, lets make this an enduring thing to recognise those who deserve some recognition.

BTW, congrats to those who received the MSM. I know of three, but don't know the fourth one. DB, NK and KL who is the fourth. Feel free to PM me if you know.
 
#18
Perhaps if you had a few more worldy-wise transferee officers you might get some people in with a bit more J1 experience?

Alternatively you could ask the RCMO for advice on the topic?
The Adjutant on resettlement again is he?
 
#20
sobel said:
Will the commendation for the soldier of 2 MI Bn be presented on the next PDT, as the reciepent was one of my instructors!!
I don't believe any of them are from 2 MI Bn.
 
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