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#41
chocolate_frog said:
Why not put some of your opinions across?

What do you think about the situation?

Surely there's as much chance of a bad coupling of gay partners as there is straight?

Do you know of any bad lesbian couples who wish to have children, but whom you wouldn't trust?

You don't really help your cause with "butt the fcuk out!"
There is no cause. I would not presume to tell others how they should live their lives and I expect others to stay out of mine. Simple really.

I mean the whole debate is ridiculous and rather strange to me. As has been mentioned before sexuality does not make you either a good or bad person/parent. So why should anyone debate my choice to have a child (by which ever means). There are surely far more important things in this world than a persons sexuality??

I work and pay tax. I'm not racist, sexist or agist. I'm well educated and fairly well paid. I don't claim benefit or defraud the state, my employer or insurance company (or anyone else). I am not a criminal or suicide bomber neither do I support such people. My partner and I have been together for seven years and intend to stay together.

If I were straight no one would question my ability to provide a stable loving home for a child. Why should my sexuality make such a huge difference?
 
#42
growler said:
And. no, I am NOT homophobic.
I don't understand why people feel it necessary to state they're not homphobic as if being homophobic is such a sin. I personally find everything about homosexuality distasteful (probably not the best choice of words!), seriously though, everything about it is unnatural and the continual PR drive to portray it as normal, just reinforces how un-normal it all is. Guess that makes me homophobic then!


Slightly_Nasty said:
Surely this is being done anyway by militant lesbian dominated left-wing councils? A colleague of mine was railing about it the other day, how one of his kids once bought home a sex education booklet where "John has two daddies" or something.
Totally agree, bet "John has two daddies" did'nt include cottaging or any other of the gay pastimes! A child growing up has a difficult enough time without trying to deal with a single sex Mum and Dad.
 
#43
With these many same sex couples who have now become parents it makes me wonder what the long term effect there is on the child. I am not saying there WILL be an effect but there must be a high probability that there will be some difference in the child, and I am not just talking if the child is gay or straight. Whether this will be good or bad - who knows. In fact we won't have any real definitive 'results' until the these children within same sex couples grow up. And since this practice is relatively new we won't be seeing any effects until 20 odd years down the line.

In short I think there will be some kind of effect on the child raised within a same sex couple, but the question is what kind of effect? With a homosexual parent(s) will the child become more biased to that way of life? Or will the said come to resent being bought up like that and completely rebel by shagging everyone of the opposite sex?! I realise these are two extremes but I just wanted to throw the idea of the child having some impact on its life.

And BTW before anyone says it I do realise that ALL parents impact their kids lives in one way or another, and if I was a child I would far prefer to be bought up by two loving gay parents then two or one abusive chavvy parents. But I am purely asking what effect gay parents may have on a child. Any thoughts?
 
#44
I don't really agree with any form of artificial conception - if you are not meant to have children then you have to accept it. If you are a lesbian or gay - you automatically forfeit your chance to have your own children. If you are desperate then adopt some poor child with a hopeless chance in life and do something good. Don't fcuk around with nature just because a couple of dykes want to play house.
 
#46
Good point Moody. there are thousands of orphans around - I know, some of the people I know have adopted.

Why use a turkey baster when the kids exist already?
 
#47
Moody I agree with your basic principles. My marriage came to an end over our inability to have a kid. I would have been happy with adoption but wife had other views and so
john
 
#51
The black upturned triangle was the symbol of various asocial types (point to note this is Nazi opinion not mine) in Concentration camps. Pink for male homosexuals. But Black for female homosexuals and a few other types of people that the Nazis didn't like such as Roma gypsies, non - conformists and vagrants.

Apparently the SS despised the symbol because it was black, the same as their uniforms, and they believed it somehow degraded them.

Infact the Nazis tried their upmost to conceal the very existance of lesbians, although didn't try to do the same for gays, although I don't know why!!!

It's supposed to have caused all kinds of uproar, because it is the equivalent to a Jew bearing the cross of david as a symbol of their religion, both in Jewish and other communities with reference to its origins and use.

Aswell as Yellow Stars for the Jews, there were triangles for other inmates green for criminals, red for political and black and pink.

Edit 1 to add cadveat on what asocial types means.

Edit 2 to add link to following www.remember.org/educate/elman.html for more information. Triangles and Triubulations: The politics of Nazi symbols. by By R. Amy Elman, PhD and published in journal of homosexuality volume 30, No. 3, 1-11.
 
#52
SpeckledJim said:
I don't understand why people feel it necessary to state they're not homphobic as if being homophobic is such a sin. I personally find everything about homosexuality distasteful (probably not the best choice of words!), seriously though, everything about it is unnatural and the continual PR drive to portray it as normal, just reinforces how un-normal it all is. Guess that makes me homophobic then!
Funny that I don't describe myself as heterophobic but, as the very idea of heterosexual sex makes me feel sick, I guess that could be the right word for me.

Of course I'd rather stick to the good old fashioned 'you do what you want in the privacy of your own home, just don't ram your sexuality down my throat. Thankyou very much!'
 
#53
FLLnurse said:
Of course I'd rather stick to the good old fashioned 'you do what you want in the privacy of your own home, just don't ram your sexuality down my throat. Thankyou very much!'
Well said FFLN but the sad fact of the matter is that sexuality (lesbians and homosexuals) is jammed down our throatsand we cannot complain because its concidered UN-PC to do so.

JJ
 
#54
Future view of 2 mummy kids will be less ignorant as same sex relationships gain acceptance - as they certainly will.
Kids do need a male model but no reason why a dyke who knows this cannot do a better job than some pish artist male who is only a father because he was too drunk to fit a condom.
A wanted child will always do better than a mistake child. So long as they stay away from me and mine, I have no concerns about people of gay and lesbian trend.
 
#55
johnojohnson said:
FLLnurse said:
Of course I'd rather stick to the good old fashioned 'you do what you want in the privacy of your own home, just don't ram your sexuality down my throat. Thankyou very much!'
Well said FFLN but the sad fact of the matter is that sexuality (lesbians and homosexuals) is jammed down our throatsand we cannot complain because its concidered UN-PC to do so.

JJ
I don't see much evidence of this. In fact I think that homosexuals are still largely invisible. If we weren't then this debate would be alot less unbalanced.

Alot my freinds say that I am the first homosexual they've ever met. That is unlikely to be true as we make up 5-10% of the population (and of course my freinds are mostly in the Army where lesbians are a rather higher percentage). If more people knew who we were then it would be obvious that very few of us have two heads. Unfortunately people only notice those who are a rather less than favourable role model. It is like any other minority who are judged on the one or two highly visible but less desirable members of that group.

Most people say they would not guess I was a lesbian. I don't fit the stereotype and neither do many of my friends. My all time favourite comment is 'You can't be a lesbian - you're so normal!' What the bloody hell did they expect?

And just to add a interesting thought my heterosexual friends are pressuring me to have children. Apparantly they think my partner and I would make great parents. Of course alot of the guys may be offering to help for less than alturistic reasons.
 
#56
I've known several lesbians in the units I have been to, and knew wome quite well. Didn't bother me, what I do is my business what they do is theirs.

Most just got on with the jobs in hand. But when one started going around the regiment basically shoveing it down their throats alot of people got the hump. She wasn't a bad lass in work, as in she could do the job, you just didn't want to know what her orientation was.

I think it is the way it is put across not the fact it is. Having played a relativly drunk game of poker with pornocards discussing the various merits of the girls on the cards with another lesbian.

I would say the origianal girl wore it like a badge of honour, but it's not really the right phrase. Wore it like a neon sign would be better.
 
#57
I'll start off by saying, my best friend is a lesbian who has two boys. They are now age 13 and 11. She had a sperm donor and this sperm donor is still very much a part of their life. He sees his children on a regular basis and has an entirely different family also. Having been around both boys since they were born, I've seen nothing "wrong" with them. They appear, at least for now, to be normal kids.

I'll tell you something else, here in the US. A lesbian couple wanted to have a child and they did. A male friend provided the sperm and bingo, child was born. Prior to having the child, the lesbian couple agreed, in writing, to relieve the male of any "fatherly" rights, etc. Meaning, no child support, etc.

Yes, you nailed it. The lesbian couple broke up and the mother of the child SUED the donor. He lost and has to pay child support until the child is 18 yrs old. Pretty screwed up if you ask me. However, there it is.
 
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#58
That's lesbians for you though mate. As rightly pointed out, they shove it down our throats at every opportunity. I remember the days when they were 'underground' and left you guessing. Wasn't to hard to 'guess' who was what though. This PC gone mad country has made it easier for people of that ilk to take advantage of every opportunity they can and they wonder why we find them aggressive and self centred. Yes, there should be no question of what people do behind closed doors as it's nobody elses business,but they shoot themselves in the foot with their flag waving antics. If they just got on with their lives , acted like everyone else does, then they would meet less hostility.

Getting back to the original point though, I'd rather see a kid brought up in a loving and providing environment with two female parents than see any child be brought up in a relationship where it's worth its weight in benefits.
 
#59
Phil306 wrote

"I'll tell you something else, here in the US. A lesbian couple wanted to have a child and they did. A male friend provided the sperm and bingo, child was born. Prior to having the child, the lesbian couple agreed, in writing, to relieve the male of any "fatherly" rights, etc. Meaning, no child support, etc.

Yes, you nailed it. The lesbian couple broke up and the mother of the child SUED the donor. He lost and has to pay child support until the child is 18 yrs old. Pretty screwed up if you ask me. However, there it is. "

That is shocking. And certainly a lesson to all!!! If this sort of thing is to go on the donor needs to be protected from this. What is the score if they got the sperm from a donor bank?
 
#60
Lazy Joke Alert:

My initial thought was that the title of the thread was the new slogan for recruiting RAF movers. Ber-boom.

Thank you very much, I'll be here all week.
 

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