No. 10 Warning ahead of Iraq vote

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Dilfor, Oct 31, 2006.

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  1. BBC News Link

    Downing Street has warned of "very real consequences" for British troops in Iraq if MPs defeat the government over calls for an inquiry into the war.

    No 10 says an inquiry now would be seen by the enemy as a sign of weakness.

    But Mr Blair's official spokesman also hinted that the government might agree to an inquiry once troops have left Iraq.

    He said: "Of course we continue to learn the lessons all the time and there is no doubt that at the end of our period there people will want to look back.

    "The time to deal with that is then, not now. This is not a theoretical debate. It is a very real debate with very real consequences for our soldiers on the ground."


    Assuming an inquiry is a good thing (which I think it probably is) there is a logic for it occurring when all the troops are home - since it can then consider the whole event.

    There is also a political logic which benefits the gov/Labour Party in having an inquiry when Mr Blair is no longer in office but touring the US. I suspect this thought is actually paramount.

    Would there, however, really be adverse consequences on the ground if an inquiry commenced now? Would it mean that the 'enemy' would take time off from indirect fire attacks to catch up on the news about dodgy dossiers and poor kit? Would the various protagonists take succour from the amazing discovery that the whole thing was poorly conceived from start to finish and consider one last push? Would our brave boys be equally amazed and lose heart?

    Or is this a particularly shameless smokescreen to protect Mr Blair?
     
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    Spin to try and head off some accountability by the government. Weakness my arrse - if you think soldiers will be in more danger becasue of an inquiry then we may as well all start smoking wacky backy.....
     
  3. I welcome an inquiry once the last squaddie has left Iraq.

    There is a phrase - giving succor to the enemy - and I believe that a premature inquiry would be doing just that
     
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    What you beleive is rubbish then!! How will this give succor to the enemy exactly?
     
  5. I'm not going to reply to any of Dilfor's points. Not because I disagree with them, but my blood pressure has been a little high of late and I'll start ranting about TCB and pop an artery.

    However, I had the pleasure of hearing some Labour Party zoid, may even have been an MP, telling us what the effects will be on the morale of the troops.

    "Imagine you were sitting in a foxhole in Iraq etc etc"

    Never having done it, I can't imagine what it's like sitting in a foxhole in Iraq and I've been blowing stuff up at weekends for Queen and Country since 1982.

    If I can't do it, who the heck (remembering it's current affairs, no swearing .... ) is she to tell us what our soldiers think?
     
  6. By that time it'll be too late to hold Tony to account. I don't see how the British Public understanding why we invaded Iraq and our current engagement in 'Stan would assist the 'enemy'. We're nut deep in it now, how can it get any worse?

    Moral will go through the roof on hearing this news. Normal bollox and spin from those Labour Cnuts.
     
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    I can imagine the moral of troops will plumet knowing TCB is getting investigated for sending them there.

    What a complete load of rubbish and so typical to try and spin this off until later trying to cover it with putting troops lives in danger.
     
  8. Aren't there "very real consequences" for British troops in Iraq whether there is an inquiry or not?

    I'm sure it will make all the difference to those on the ground to have somebody run through some charade of an enquiry and eventually produce a 236 page report stating the obvious and with no firm recommendations or conclusions.
     
  9. If No 10 is worried about an inquiry being seen as a 'sign of weakness' I wonder how they expect the evacuation of the Basra consulate as reported in today's Daily Mail to be viewed (...if true)?

    Accoding to the report, at the advice of Control Risks,'...almost all the 200 Foreign Office and Department for International Development staff will move either to the main UK military HQ outside Basra, to the safety of neighbouring Kuwait, or will be withdrawn back to London'.

    On page 2. Presumably in online edition too.
     
  10. No consequences. Bliar being a coward again and failing to face upto his responsibilities and the death of 120+ service pesonnel.
     
  11. Whilst I would normally applaud any effort to kick this awful Government in the crotch, I feel that holding an enquiry now will not be of any great benefit.

    Have any other conflicts been the subject of an HMG Inquiry while the bullets are still flying? (Bloody Sunday doesn't count, as that referred to just one major incident not the whole of the troubles) Off hand I can't think of any.

    However, a full parliamentary debate on the prosecution of the war in Iraq would I feel be far more useful; so long as it didn't degenerate into "yar-boo" slanging match on party lines...(Some hope there!)
     
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    Are you surprised he's shirking his responsibilities, he's lied and cheated the whole way through his term in office.

    Hopefully the press will pick up on it and ask him what exactly the consequences will be for troops on Ops, other than the huge rise in morale to know that he might actually be brought to book for sending them to the sandpit for no other reason than cheering along dubya.
     
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    An enquiry into how the conflict has been handled so far might hasten the end to the commitment which is no bad thing.
     
  14. Unless they know what will come out of the inquiry if it is done properly. Not every Iraqi is currently trying to shoot our troops. If a report prove what we all think ie that we declared war on Iraq for their oil then maybe a few more may want to have a pop at our boys.

    Could also bring the rest of the Arab world into it aswell, a preemptive strike in case we go for them once we have dried Iraq out.

    However if left until Blair has gone then the Government can just blame him, he already knows he is going to get blamed for all of their failings (even though most labour MP's voted for them) so he isn't bothered. He will be sat aboard air force one being protected by the septics.

    cynical me? never.

    This is pure spin from the government hoping to drag it all out because they know the result of the inquiry, they hope we will either forget or we will be able to blame somebody who is no longer in power.

    I for one am getting pretty sick of being treated like an idiot by this government.
     
  15. Look back in history, read how the Viet Cong were heartened by the squabbling of politicians - thinking that they were coming towards an end game.

    On Question Time Paddy Ashdown spoke of the difficulties of withdrawing from a war - if we have to withdraw under fire then it will be much much worse if the enemy had been first enboldened by a premature inquiry