Night shifts bad for boobs - gravy train on Platform 1

So, the Danish government has started the ball rolling by giving compensation to female night shift workers who develop breast cancer:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7945145.stm

Doubtless HMG will eventually follow suit in 2011, when their studies are complete.

But what implications will this have?

Women being taken off night shift but retaining night shift pay so that they won't be disadvantaged? Hospitals being closed at night due to insufficient staff?

Nothing would surprise me.
 
Night shifts screw your body over, yes we know.

How does that diminsh ones own responsibilities to go to the doctor when you feel a bit under?
 
Maninthestreet said:
It's a gravy train that men can join too.Linky to info about male breast cancer.

So that's no night shifts ever again Yay !

ergo no stags at night :p
god bless 'elf an' saeftee

hold up...male breast cancer??
Ain't that like saying the SA80 is squaddie proof??
 
chocolate_frog said:
Night shifts screw your body over, yes we know.

How does that diminsh ones own responsibilities to go to the doctor when you feel a bit under?

'Feeling a bit under' has pretty much come to be the normal condition of the British workforce. That doesn't diminish an employer's responsibility not to put their staff at avoidable risk.

There'll be a whole load of chancers seeking to take advantage of this - I'm surprised Jade Goody isn't suing the Big Brother team - but it's a genuine and avoidable medical phenomenon. So long as it's policed like the Danes have i.e. fucking off those with a family history, it seems only right to me.
 
Having worked night shift for the last 25 years, my boobs, and the rest of me, are doing just fine!

Its all about developing a pattern - you get used to anything in time. There was yet another paper, a few years back, which proved beyond doubt that alternating shift patterns, early shifts, back shifts and nights, were much more detrimental to health than constant nights.

Seconded Jarrod - if you cant hack nights (and some people just cant), get a job where they are not required.
 
jarrod248 said:
There was research done many years ago - can't remember by who that said regular night work shortens peoples lives. If people don't want to work nights - get a job where you don't have to.[/quote]

Easier said than done in the present economic climate, some people feel the need to work and the only jobs open could well involve nights, otherwise you'll just end up with even more benefit scroungers.
 
Right just discussed it with our Occ Health Physician. We are going to stop all night working at our NHS Trust. All patients must go home by 20:00 and return for care at 08:00. (yeah and you dont see many pigs flying at that alltitude)
 
1stgulfmac said:
Right just discussed it with our Occ Health Physician. We are going to stop all night working at our NHS Trust. All patients must go home by 20:00 and return for care at 08:00. (yeah and you dont see many pigs flying at that alltitude)

Joking aside, this is not far off what one union rep was hinting at when interviewed on the radio last night. I didn't catch which union or occupation he represented, but his tone suggested that he was looking forward to flexing his union's muscle...
 
mwl946 said:
Having worked night shift for the last 25 years, my boobs, and the rest of me, are doing just fine!

I think we need photographic evidence MWL. on such a serious subject we can't just take your word for it. You may have missed something! ;)

Its all about developing a pattern - you get used to anything in time. There was yet another paper, a few years back, which proved beyond doubt that alternating shift patterns, early shifts, back shifts and nights, were much more detrimental to health than constant nights.

Seconded Jarrod - if you cant hack nights (and some people just cant), get a job where they are not required.

So far almost 40 Danish women have won compensation.

Not every case was successful: women who had a family history of breast cancer were among the ones whose claims were rejected.

Seems a bit strange that one as their pre-disposition has been exacerbated by night work.

There is no reason why night shift workers shouldn't turn their days around and sleep during the day. It doesn't take long for circadian rhythms to turn round and reflect differing sleep patterns.

Once again this seems to be one in the eye for those feminists who say we are all exactly equal and should be treated exactly the same (except where it is more beneficial to the female).
 

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Markintime said:
mwl946 said:
Having worked night shift for the last 25 years, my boobs, and the rest of me, are doing just fine!

I think we need photographic evidence MWL. on such a serious subject we can't just take your word for it. You may have missed something! ;)

Its all about developing a pattern - you get used to anything in time. There was yet another paper, a few years back, which proved beyond doubt that alternating shift patterns, early shifts, back shifts and nights, were much more detrimental to health than constant nights.

Seconded Jarrod - if you cant hack nights (and some people just cant), get a job where they are not required.
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Seconded. And taken from all angles, just so we can be of assistance.
 
I sat in on a research seminar given by a visiting Israeli prof a few weeks ago. He gave a talk based around the biological affects of artificial light.

To cut a long-story short, they had pretty good evidence that, once genetic factors were accounted for, increased exposure to artificial light in Israeli women was closely associated to increased risk of breast cancer (but not other cancers). As ever, in observational studies, correlation does not imply causation, but the overlap was pretty clear.

In his experimental studies working with mice, melatonin was shown to reduce the affect of artificial light on breast cancer development....
 
Markintime said:
Seems a bit strange that one as their pre-disposition has been exacerbated by night work.

There is no reason why night shift workers shouldn't turn their days around and sleep during the day. It doesn't take long for circadian rhythms to turn round and reflect differing sleep patterns.

Once again this seems to be one in the eye for those feminists who say we are all exactly equal and should be treated exactly the same (except where it is more beneficial to the female).

Unfortunately, the melatonin/serotonin cycle is reliant on the light/dark cycle...
 
Schleswig-Holstein said:
Markintime said:
Seems a bit strange that one as their pre-disposition has been exacerbated by night work.

There is no reason why night shift workers shouldn't turn their days around and sleep during the day. It doesn't take long for circadian rhythms to turn round and reflect differing sleep patterns.

Once again this seems to be one in the eye for those feminists who say we are all exactly equal and should be treated exactly the same (except where it is more beneficial to the female).

Unfortunately, the melatonin/serotonin cycle is reliant on the light/dark cycle...

So does this mean that it would effect more cancers than just mamarian ( in both sexes)? Presumably working nights would have a positive effect on skin cancers?
Nightshift for depressives?
 
mwl946 said:
Having worked night shift for the last 25 years, my boobs, and the rest of me, are doing just fine!

Its all about developing a pattern - you get used to anything in time. There was yet another paper, a few years back, which proved beyond doubt that alternating shift patterns, early shifts, back shifts and nights, were much more detrimental to health than constant nights.

And that's rubbish, too. You get used to alternating shifts just as well.
I've been working on different shift patterns for 20 years. The only thing I found difficult every now and again was finding a sleep-wake rhythm, while boobs (and everything else) are doing great.

And you can always find a way to 'prove' whatever you want to.
It's like saying: All criminals have slept a couple hours the night before and had at least one meal the day before they committed a crime.
No doubt this will be right.

Still no need to worry you'll end up a criminal anytime you sleep at night and have a meal during the day. :lol:
As said before, it's all rubbish.
 
Schleswig-Holstein said:
I sat in on a research seminar given by a visiting Israeli prof a few weeks ago. He gave a talk based around the biological affects of artificial light.

To cut a long-story short, they had pretty good evidence that, once genetic factors were accounted for, increased exposure to artificial light in Israeli women was closely associated to increased risk of breast cancer (but not other cancers). As ever, in observational studies, correlation does not imply causation, but the overlap was pretty clear.

In his experimental studies working with mice, melatonin was shown to reduce the affect of artificial light on breast cancer development....

If these Israeli women worked topless and outdoors, then I could give some credence to the argument.

Did this study consider muslim women who wear burkhas and who therefore do not subject their bodies to either artificial or natural light? Effect due to absence of light ruled out, then.

Did it consider women who work in an office environment and who are therefore subjected to artificial light for most of the working day? Time of day/night also ruled out.

Statistics, statistics... I'm more inclined to believe in Global Warming (and, just for the record, I don't).


Just to throw a spanner in the works of the studies, it's the women who work nights who have the greater opportunity to sunbathe during daylight hours, snoozing between shifts. Perhaps it's not working in artificial light, but omitting "Slip, slop, slap" that's the cause of the problem.
 
If you don't let a turtle hibernate it knocks years of its life, so it stands to reason that a night up will similarly affect humans.

Its all in the sleep pattern though. A week of nights wont kill you, or even a month. it is the crazy day, night off that kills you.

If you think about it, the Aussies and Falklanders should be fcuked if being awake at night is that bad.
 
heard_it_all_before said:
Does that mean that I can sue the army for having a sore knob from all those endless night time stags spent knocking-one-out..? :D

Only if the Court never gets to see the friction burns. :D

Seriously, though. We're not talking about a few days' night-shift or even the odd week. We're talking about routine for an entire career. Not exactly impossible to avoid with a bit of planning by the employer.
 
The number of people I knew who worked many years of 1/1/1 and 1 off [1afternoon 8 hrs/1 morning 6 hrs/and on that night for 10 hrs] or 2/2/2 and 2 off and who popped their clogs on retirement at 60 or soon after was IMO more than an indicator that asymetric? shift patterns f@ck with the bodies sytem. Glad I retired early!
 

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