Nicola Sturgeon - whither the SNP

Is Sturgeon's time as First Minister of Scotland coming to an end

  • Yes - she is dooomed

    Votes: 155 49.1%
  • No - this is just a storm in a tea cup

    Votes: 30 9.5%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 43 13.6%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 88 27.8%

  • Total voters
    316
Signs going up all over Scotland as much as she wants it to drift in to the sunset it's not happening
 

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Tyk

LE
Probably the best we can hope for is nobody in overall control, everybody watching their own backs whilst trying to stab everyone else in theirs. Hopefully/possibly/highly unlikely, they may at least work together after a fashion.

Sadly true.
At least in theory coalition governments should avoid extremism, but they've proven themselves to be ineffectual with the minor partner holding a position of excessive power through blackmail.
The SNP are a minority government now and they've made an impressive mess of whole great chunks of ScotGov so majority or not it's status quo.
Signs going up all over Scotland as much as she wants it to drift in to the sunset it's not happening

How long those remain up is a question, as is how much effect they will have at the ballot box.
 
I can access the likes of SCI store to see lab tests, PACS/Vue for radiographs but I need to log in to each system separately.
If you have the required log in. Requests for those are currently sitting at 14 weeks.
Ouch! Do you not have access to Trakcare in Highland?
 
Yep, agree to a great extent. Personally my politics are grounded in Labour when they were true to their beliefs instead of whichever faction was in favour at the time and they had politicians that really knew and identified with the people they served and what affected them. Despite that I voted SNP when first emigrating to Scotland from England :) as SLAB were even worse than the main Labour Party and SCUP were lost. Now it appears SLAB may be starting to get back to where they should be, even if main Labour aren't, I'm still not about to vote for them as they haven't done anywhere near enough to convince me yet so SCUP will still get my vote as a protest as it won't change a thing in the grand scheme of things.

As for actual Scottish politics, for all it appears to be all-consuming, independence is little more than a deflection from the issues involved with running the country, something the SNP have proved themselves incapable of doing both under Salmond and even more so under Sturgeon. Whoever runs the country I want a party, or potentially a coalition (Lab/Con?) to get on with the business they are getting paid very well for.
I wouldn't be against a Lab/Con coalition. What's missing, and I think FF pointed this out, is a middle ground, something like that may actually achieve it. So long as they could stay away from tearing at each others throats for 5 minutes.
 
I wouldn't be against a Lab/Con coalition. What's missing, and I think FF pointed this out, is a middle ground, something like that may actually achieve it. So long as they could stay away from tearing at each others throats for 5 minutes.

But doesn't it suit the Tories to have the SNP having votes rather than Labour in Scotland, thus making it harder for a Labour government for the UK
 

R0B

War Hero
I can access the likes of SCI store to see lab tests, PACS/Vue for radiographs but I need to log in to each system separately.
If you have the required log in. Requests for those are currently sitting at 14 weeks.

It's a shame you're not in the veterinary profession. I know a nice system where all DICOM images and lab results are on the patients record.

If you take a sample in the consulting room and urgently want to know the minute the results are available you can put tick a box and have the results sent to your phone as soon as they come off the machine. You can even graph historical lab tests.
 
Scottish NHS is a complete clusterfcuk. An utter shambles
And I thought my name and DOB could be entered into any authorised NHS monitor and all my medical history would appear. I suppose it works if you are born, live and die in the same region that has all the health facilities - Lothian for instance, central belt grr.
Not that I want to cause an uproar, and maybe for a separate thread, would this be an area for privatisation? I'm sure if insurance companies had a stake in SNHS the IT would be 'joined up'.
Is NHS England also a clusterfcuk do you know?
 

Dredd

LE
Here is a wee laugh you can have over the weekend - ask your friendly ScotNat this question:
"Putting independence to one side, what has the SNP done for Scotland".

The answers, if you get any, should be a hoot.

For the record here is where they will get their source of information:


Note the second one is "Healthier Scotland". Based on what metrics? Well, apparently, making a car park free of charge makes you healthier. Who knew? And expanding IVF - when we are already overpopulated as a planet, that doesn't really fit in with your green credentials does it?

On the car park bit, that has meant they have "saved" patients and staff £42m. So this presumes then that it costs nothing to provide such facilities. Or to use the funds for other things. Therefore something else has now lost £42m funding. But then we all know in Socialist economics, money just appears and does not need accounted for when spent. Until of course, it is no longer there. Again, by magic.

In the education bit, apparently getting people to register for a challenge is seen as a way of improving educational standards.

As for the magic money tree, apparently we are an exporting powerhouse. International exports have gone up by 63% under the SNP, valued at £33.8 bn in 2018. So it was once just about £20 bn - but when?

There there is the Fair Work Action Plan. As it has been published, that means it is automatically being operated so hurrah.

And of course, everything is essentially free from buses to jam rags.

Much of this is either taking credit for natural changes in circumstance, empty words of non-verifiable statements, buy-now-avoid-paying-later wheezes or simply wishful thinking.

So lets look at some real world examples of their continued success shall we?

An airport that has and will continue to run at a loss.

An engineering firm that has been lost because it was only kept on a ventilator with minimal brain activity when they took it on, now butchered for parts.

Ferries that are still not ready, years after they were due - and no indication of when they will be.

Hospitals that cannot open.

1 in 10 GPs have now dropped or are dropping out of the profession which will lead to a squeeze on services - but wait - that cannot be true as Mrs Murrell tells us that there are 19,500 more staff and we have the highest number of GPs per head of population. So panic over, all is in hand.

A Police authority that has had problems keeping Chairs and had one even describe it as fundamentally flawed with need of root and branch reform.

A leader who could have been the FM (or no doubt rebranded as PM) of indy Scotland that is now allegedly a sex pest (despite this not being adequately proved in court) but only gets his comeuppance because he didn't win the big prize.
 
But doesn't it suit the Tories to have the SNP having votes rather than Labour in Scotland, thus making it harder for a Labour government for the UK
The problem with that is the more votes the snp get, the more they'll clamourer for indy2, and if that happens it may go their way. Then neither party will have any say in Scotland.
 
And I thought my name and DOB could be entered into any authorised NHS monitor and all my medical history would appear. I suppose it works if you are born, live and die in the same region that has all the health facilities - Lothian for instance, central belt grr.
Not that I want to cause an uproar, and maybe for a separate thread, would this be an area for privatisation? I'm sure if insurance companies had a stake in SNHS the IT would be 'joined up'.
Is NHS England also a clusterfcuk do you know?
Point A: We're actively moving towards that with various initiatives to get different HB systems to talk to each other, with some fair success so far. Other projects are underway have joint procurement to replace legacy systems so we all sing off the same song sheet going forward, but, as with any project of that size, it takes time.

Point B: Unless you privatised SNHS in it's entirety to the same supplier, you would just have the same problem.

Edit to add something which isn't thread drift.

What we've seen from this is that the largely successful initiatives have been driven either by networks of the same "disciplines" across HBs or collaboration between the HBs themselves. The ones which are a cake and arse party invariably involve some level of SCOTGOV involvement.

I am unfortunately forced through to Edinburgh on occasion (pre-COVID) to sit through various SCOTGOV health initiative briefings, complete and utter waste of time, last one I went to included, and this isn't a joke BTW, talking about toilets in your home that would analyse your morning ablutions and feed back as part of your "integrated health report".

Most recent one is a national group set up to discuss BREXIT mitigation, AFTER BREXIT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!!! I declined the invite to that.
 
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Time for you blokes to start playing the trans card then.
And that is part of the FM vision of her New Scotland - tick any box to indicate which gender you identify with. Whereas, Cherry gets the back row from the Lard because she claims there is only male and female, any deviation is a strike against feminism.
In the USA, Biden has gone for self identification but some States are staying with 'boys' and 'girls' for sporting activities.
 
I'm sure if insurance companies had a stake in SNHS the IT would be 'joined up'.

I'm sure your life insurance premiums wouldn't rise by £50 every time you visited the doc. Nor would they refuse to insure someone based on a medical history "they don't have access to", nosireebob.
 
But doesn't it suit the Tories to have the SNP having votes rather than Labour in Scotland, thus making it harder for a Labour government for the UK

its labour damage against SNP damage - with starmer in charge labour are no threat to anyone apart from themselves but the snp are far more dangerous as they will actively work with enemy forces (EU) and seditiously agitate to undermine and break up the country
 
For the record here is where they will get their source of information:


Note the second one is "Healthier Scotland". Based on what metrics? Well, apparently, making a car park free of charge makes you healthier. Who knew? And expanding IVF - when we are already overpopulated as a planet, that doesn't really fit in with your green credentials does it?

On the car park bit, that has meant they have "saved" patients and staff £42m. So this presumes then that it costs nothing to provide such facilities. Or to use the funds for other things. Therefore something else has now lost £42m funding. But then we all know in Socialist economics, money just appears and does not need accounted for when spent. Until of course, it is no longer there. Again, by magic.

In the education bit, apparently getting people to register for a challenge is seen as a way of improving educational standards.

As for the magic money tree, apparently we are an exporting powerhouse. International exports have gone up by 63% under the SNP, valued at £33.8 bn in 2018. So it was once just about £20 bn - but when?

There there is the Fair Work Action Plan. As it has been published, that means it is automatically being operated so hurrah.

And of course, everything is essentially free from buses to jam rags.

Much of this is either taking credit for natural changes in circumstance, empty words of non-verifiable statements, buy-now-avoid-paying-later wheezes or simply wishful thinking.

So lets look at some real world examples of their continued success shall we?

An airport that has and will continue to run at a loss.

An engineering firm that has been lost because it was only kept on a ventilator with minimal brain activity when they took it on, now butchered for parts.

Ferries that are still not ready, years after they were due - and no indication of when they will be.

Hospitals that cannot open.

1 in 10 GPs have now dropped or are dropping out of the profession which will lead to a squeeze on services - but wait - that cannot be true as Mrs Murrell tells us that there are 19,500 more staff and we have the highest number of GPs per head of population. So panic over, all is in hand.

A Police authority that has had problems keeping Chairs and had one even describe it as fundamentally flawed with need of root and branch reform.

A leader who could have been the FM (or no doubt rebranded as PM) of indy Scotland that is now allegedly a sex pest (despite this not being adequately proved in court) but only gets his comeuppance because he didn't win the big prize.

you are a stronger man than me to be able to stomach a read of the SNP version of Mein Kampf
 
But doesn't it suit the Tories to have the SNP having votes rather than Labour in Scotland, thus making it harder for a Labour government for the UK
At least they may bring something sensible to the chamber as at the minute the SNP appear to do nothing worthwhile for the U.K. and only ever seem to be interested in saying “Scotland didn’t want/vote for this”....... An MP from any party should be looking out for the best interests of the U.K. as a whole and not just continually droning on about independence.
 
I'm sure your life insurance premiums wouldn't rise by £50 every time you visited the doc. Nor would they refuse to insure someone based on a medical history "they don't have access to", nosireebob.
I agree, yet the US seem to live and or die using insurance for their health care - I thought Obama was stepping into the future with his care plan and the bleach drinker dismantled it.
Anyway, back to Scotland
 

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