Nicola Sturgeon - whither the SNP

Is Sturgeon's time as First Minister of Scotland coming to an end

  • Yes - she is dooomed

    Votes: 155 49.1%
  • No - this is just a storm in a tea cup

    Votes: 30 9.5%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 43 13.6%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 88 27.8%

  • Total voters
    316
The recent example of the proven bullying by the Home Secretary and breaching the Ministerial code yet being supported by the PM and remaining in post seems to be quoted as evidence that such things only apply in certain cases.

Apples and oranges mate, Priti just told her staff what to do in no uncertain terms - it wasn't bullying merely them having hurt feelings at being held to account for the Home Offices abysmal performance. by someone prepared to be a boss. How was she to know her staff were snowflakes :) She of course apologised and pointed out that it was unintentional. NB please note the HO staff had previous for dropping their ministers in the crap and conspiring against them to get them removed , just ask Jacqui Smith

Nicola Sturgeon seems to have actively conspired to throw Salmond into jail or at the very least to destroy his life and reputation and then lied about it - far more serious and in my view a hanging offence but I'm prepared to accept a public flogging and banishment to become Donald Trumps personal toilet cleaner :)
 
That's not a given.

Maybe not, but its highly likely. The SNP want independence, they arent interested in much else, the Greens also want independence but will probably hint at wanting a green initiative in exchange for their support.
Does it help either party to **** over Sturgeon? Probably not, so they wont.
 
Was the complex (?) voting system based around having three main Parties ... Labour , Conservative and SNP ... to ensure no Party had an outright majority ... the collapse of Labour as a Party means it is now a totally different situation ... the start of any change may require many more people holding their noses when they vote in May .
That's my understanding of it.
 
Maybe not, but its highly likely. The SNP want independence, they arent interested in much else, the Greens also want independence but will probably hint at wanting a green initiative in exchange for their support.
Does it help either party to **** over Sturgeon? Probably not, so they wont.
Hopefully we'll get the opportunity to see if you're correct very soon.

Edited to thwart the grammar police.
 
Hopefully we'll get the opportunity to see if your correct very soon.

Do you see any other outcome?

Why would the SNP shit on its own doorstep? Without Sturgeon they will face a massive setback.
 
Do you see any other outcome?

Why would the SNP shit on its own doorstep? Without Sturgeon they will face a massive setback.
I don’t know the inner workings arm twisting and jobs for the boys on offer for a "correct" vote.
Neither do you. Until they vote it's guess work for all of us.
 
Given Sturgeon's propensity to throw her own people under the bus (not to mention allegedly collude in having her predecessor jailed), even the Greens will be giving her the hairy eyeball and considering whether hitching their wagon to her sinking ship is a good move.
 
I don’t know the inner workings arm twisting and jobs for the boys on offer for a "correct" vote.
Neither do you. Until they vote it's guess work for all of us.
I can look at the history though, its says on the BBC site that Salmond was accused (and cleared) of breaching the ministerial code 5 times, he also spanked his expenses as few times.
They stood by him.
Independence no matter what the cost.
 

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Given Sturgeon's propensity to throw her own people under the bus (not to mention allegedly collude in having her predecessor jailed), even the Greens will be giving her the hairy eyeball and considering whether hitching their wagon to her sinking ship is a good move.
I wonder how much support she will give to her Deputy FM in the vote of no confidence?
 
I can look at the history though, its says on the BBC site that Salmond was accused (and cleared) of breaching the ministerial code 5 times, he also spanked his expenses as few times.
They stood by him.
Independence no matter what the cost.
Well we'll hopefully have the opportunity of finding out.
P. S. I won't be getting dragged into a pointless circular Stacker argument.
 

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The recent example of the proven bullying by the Home Secretary and breaching the Ministerial code yet being supported by the PM and remaining in post seems to be quoted as evidence that such things only apply in certain cases.
Perhaps there's a difference between expecting Civil Servants to do what they are paid for and suborning democracy to stay in power at all costs!
 

HCL

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I think people are forgetting that Salmond was a bit of **** during his time as FM and the SNP still did OK.
They look to be bullet proof, they dont give a **** about what the English say because it has no effect on them. North of border they still appear to have solid support.

If HM Treasury recalls the unaccounted for Covid funds then they're screwed.
 
If HM Treasury recalls the unaccounted for Covid funds then they're screwed.

The English stealing the poor hardworking jocks money? The SNP would love it.
 
Maybe not, but its highly likely. The SNP want independence, they arent interested in much else, the Greens also want independence but will probably hint at wanting a green initiative in exchange for their support.
Does it help either party to **** over Sturgeon? Probably not, so they wont.
The SNP is split in two and the split is growing. On the one hand are the Sturgeon faithful, happy to play the long game as far as independence is concerned. On the other hand are the Freedom Now members (which includes Salmond and his supporters) Aside from the legal stuff regarding Salmond, these members want to push through independence as quickly as possible.
Sturgeon has tried to appease these members by consistantly calling for indyref2 and other soundbites. She threatens to hold a referendum without actually pushing the button. However they have now got impatient, She is slowly trying to get rid of anyone from that side of the party, Joanna Cherry being the most high profile.
If Sturgeon leaves or is pushed out then Salmonds supporters will rush to fill the vacuum, even if Salmond himself doesn't take the top job. It will be interesting to see in the coming weeks whether Sturgeons support is strong enough to withstand the onslaught.
 
You know you've just got to post a few screen shots so we can all have a laugh..
Couple of the tamer posts from unhappy Natzis:

Cubby
27th Feb 2021 at 12:16 pm
Sturgeon is downright lying now. Sick of her and her corrupt gang.

After many months, years even, of choosing to say she will answers these questions in front of the Committee she decides to smear Salmond on live TV on two successive days just before his Committee attendance.

She has been a disaster for Scottish independence. The biggest mistake Salmond made was resigning in 2014.



John O'Dowd
27th Feb 2021 at 12:11 pm
Well done Jim Sillars.

It is dispiriting to see Ms Sturgeon is still sticking to the ‘conspiracy theory’ slur, but what else can she do?

She has burned any bridges she might have had to decency and probity, and is well and truly stuck on the darks side.

To say that she is a disappointment is an under-statement.

She is, frankly, a disgrace
 
The SNP and Greens will back her up.

The Greens appear to be weighing up the prospects rather than blindly supporting the SNP. If they perceive that the SNP is damaged goods and their continuing support no longer serves its purpose... rats and sinking ships comes to mind.

On the Swinney VoNC thing...

While the Scottish Greens backed him over education they are less likely to do so over the legal advice in the Salmond case.
They have already voted twice with the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats to demand its publication.

The Scottish Greens have said they will wait and see any motion before reaching a decision [on which way they’ll vote]?
 

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