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Nicola Sturgeon - whither the SNP

Is Sturgeon's time as First Minister of Scotland coming to an end

  • Yes - she is dooomed

    Votes: 138 49.5%
  • No - this is just a storm in a tea cup

    Votes: 26 9.3%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 36 12.9%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 79 28.3%

  • Total voters
    279
I respectfully disagree mate - the opposition needs to do something significant enough to cause a newsworthy story to draw attention from the public and media and for them to put pressure on the SNP, just turning up to work as per normal is clearly not cutting the mustard. A full boycott or the setting up of an alternative parliament or some other 'spectacular' is needed - wee ruthie turning up on a challenger tank shouting 'come on ya bass!' would be particularly exciting :)
A fair point and we all have our own opinions, but if democracy is seen to be done, it must be done in parliament using the democratic tools available. A boycott would play into the hands of the SNP IMHO.
 
I respectfully disagree mate - the opposition needs to do something significant enough to cause a newsworthy story to draw attention from the public and media and for them to put pressure on the SNP, just turning up to work as per normal is clearly not cutting the mustard. A full boycott or the setting up of an alternative parliament or some other 'spectacular' is needed - wee ruthie turning up on a challenger tank shouting 'come on ya bass!' would be particularly exciting :)
A full on rumble in the car park would be most appropriate for Scotland surely.
 
A fair point and we all have our own opinions, but if democracy is seen to be done, it must be done in parliament using the democratic tools available. A boycott would play into the hands of the SNP IMHO.

You'd think that having a rare "perfect storm" such as this to hold another party to account properly, not just calling for resignations, drop in your lap would be a once in a generation opportunity...
 
A fair point and we all have our own opinions, but if democracy is seen to be done, it must be done in parliament using the democratic tools available. A boycott would play into the hands of the SNP IMHO.

Drastic action must be taken when Parliament and the tools of democracy ( including the Crown Office ) are very clearly being manipulated / gagged / covered in the stench of sleaze and corruption.

This whole episode must be sent to a non - Scottish Legal Review that has the teeth to bring this whole saga to a definitive end, to include, but not not limited to:

1. Finding of Guilt or Innocence

2. Jail terms for all ( any ) that have taken part in ( any ) form of collusion. To include:
  • MSP's, Parliamentary Legal Team and hangers on
  • Members of the Crown Office
  • Anyone else involved
3. Loss of Pension rights.

4. Lifetime bans from entering Politics / the Legal Profession again ( In any capacity )

It is clear, that this cannot be done within the confines of Scotland. Get it done properly, hammer people where appropriate, send out a very clear message that this is not acceptable.
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
Not being a legal grate brane I have no idea, is Scotland's justice system totally independent or subject to the London based Supreme Court?
 
Drastic action must be taken when Parliament and the tools of democracy ( including the Crown Office ) are very clearly being manipulated / gagged / covered in the stench of sleaze and corruption.

This whole episode must be sent to a non - Scottish Legal Review that has the teeth to bring this whole saga to a definitive end, to include, but not not limited to:

1. Finding of Guilt or Innocence

2. Jail terms for all ( any ) that have taken part in ( any ) form of collusion. To include:
  • MSP's, Parliamentary Legal Team and hangers on
  • Members of the Crown Office
  • Anyone else involved
3. Loss of Pension rights.

4. Lifetime bans from entering Politics / the Legal Profession again ( In any capacity )

It is clear, that this cannot be done within the confines of Scotland. Get it done properly, hammer people where appropriate, send out a very clear message that this is not acceptable.
I hate to use a Trump expression but it really is time to "drain the swamp"
 
Drastic action must be taken when Parliament and the tools of democracy ( including the Crown Office ) are very clearly being manipulated / gagged / covered in the stench of sleaze and corruption.

This whole episode must be sent to a non - Scottish Legal Review that has the teeth to bring this whole saga to a definitive end, to include, but not not limited to:

1. Finding of Guilt or Innocence

2. Jail terms for all ( any ) that have taken part in ( any ) form of collusion. To include:
  • MSP's, Parliamentary Legal Team and hangers on
  • Members of the Crown Office
  • Anyone else involved
3. Loss of Pension rights.

4. Lifetime bans from entering Politics / the Legal Profession again ( In any capacity )

It is clear, that this cannot be done within the confines of Scotland. Get it done properly, hammer people where appropriate, send out a very clear message that this is not acceptable.
Hand on heart can anyone see that happening, i sometimes suspect that those in power in westminster are more than happy to wash thier hands of Scotland, the only snag is the northern QRA and CASD.
 
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Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
Totally independent from the England and Wales legal system, but still (obviously) subject to the Westminster Parliament.
So presumably HMQ has the power to dissolve Holyrood in the same way as Stormont in the 70s?
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer

Auld-Yin

ADC
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Reviews Editor
One of the most horrible and frightening elements of this whole affair is the spectre of the forthcoming GE. If, as expected, SNP do well, Sturgeon will come out saying she has been vindicated by 'the people of Scotland' and become even more entrenched in her divine right to rule.

This whole affair needs a Royal Commission led by non Scottish personnel and to ensure that there is no chance of the SNP saying this is just Westminster imposing on Scotland again, the Commission should be composed of people from the Commonwealth.

We could ask for suitably senior legal pers from Canada or Australia or N Zealand or India - but they must be people with the gravitas and personality to stand up to the Scottish establishment.

IMO this is the only way to ensure that Scotland does not go down the wrong path, one that is having the first steps at present.
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
One of the most horrible and frightening elements of this whole affair is the spectre of the forthcoming GE. If, as expected, SNP do well, Sturgeon will come out saying she has been vindicated by 'the people of Scotland' and become even more entrenched in her divine right to rule.

This whole affair needs a Royal Commission led by non Scottish personnel and to ensure that there is no chance of the SNP saying this is just Westminster imposing on Scotland again, the Commission should be composed of people from the Commonwealth.

We could ask for suitably senior legal pers from Canada or Australia or N Zealand or India - but they must be people with the gravitas and personality to stand up to the Scottish establishment.

IMO this is the only way to ensure that Scotland does not go down the wrong path, one that is having the first steps at present.
Cracking idea, and you get an excellent from me, but... "First steps"?
 
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