Nicola Sturgeon - whither the SNP

[jagman2]

And no one is pointing it out.

Especially to me as I am duty Daft Lad. What is the lie?

https://mcusercontent.com/4fae14f57a18ee08253ffc251/files/18ebe54b-8867-439f-91aa-0ea911c369e9/Roadmap_to_Referendum_.pdf

Section 10
Clearly says that Wesminster has three choices-
1. Accept that Holyrood already has the legal right to run an independence referendum
2. Accept that Section 30 gives them the right to change the law to do the above if they haven't already got it
3. Westminster will have to take it to court to prevent the SNP implementing the above

Seeing as authority for an independence referendum is not a devolved matter all three of the above are lies

Sturgeon is clearly stating that Holyrood has the legal right to run a referendum and that Westminster would have to take legal action to prevent them
She then goes on to repeatedly state her and the SNP are seeking legal referendum and implies she does not need Westminster consent to do so.
At no point does she refer to a non binding advisory referendum. She contends that Holyrood can do so without Westminsters agreement

Its a lie. Holyrood or the SNP does not have the legal right to hold an independence referendum.

 

[hackle]

Mixing rabid Politics and servile Law Officers going as well as usual.

"The Lord Advocate himself, James Wolffe QC, will shortly make a public apology to the two men for having pursued a “malicious prosecution” against them “without probable cause”.


“Malicious”, note. Not just mistaken in law, or based on unreliable evidence, but acting with malice: with the intention of personally injuring two innocent citizens."

Iain Macwhirter: Like a fish, Scotland's Crown Office is rotting from the head down

FOURTEEN million, £20 million, £24 million – the eye-watering sum in damages being awarded to the administrators wrongly prosecuted for fraud…

www.heraldscotland.com

Without being political, I have been astonished at this “malicious prosecution” debacle and how little public attention it has been receiving.

 

[monkey123]

But yes, private is still working and able to do far more.

just wave your gold credit card ?

 

[AfghanAndy]

Proof read.

Please proof read.

Apologies. Trying to stop the kids killing each other .

I’m also finding it more difficult to use a phone now. I think my fingers have gotten fatter.

 

[AfghanAndy]

https://mcusercontent.com/4fae14f57a18ee08253ffc251/files/18ebe54b-8867-439f-91aa-0ea911c369e9/Roadmap_to_Referendum_.pdf

Section 10
Clearly says that Wesminster has three choices-
1. Accept that Holyrood already has the legal right to run an independence referendum
2. Accept that Section 30 gives them the right to change the law to do the above if they haven't already got it
3. Westminster will have to take it to court to prevent the SNP implementing the above

Seeing as authority for an independence referendum is not a devolved matter all three of the above are lies

Sturgeon is clearly stating that Holyrood has the legal right to run a referendum and that Westminster would have to take legal action to prevent them
She then goes on to repeatedly state her and the SNP are seeking legal referendum and implies she does not need Westminster consent to do so.
At no point does she refer to a non binding advisory referendum. She contends that Holyrood can do so without Westminsters agreement

Its a lie. Holyrood or the SNP does not have the legal right to hold an independence referendum.

I’ll give you an option 4 . It’s a modification of option 3. Get a member of the public to take them to court. Lessons can and have been learnt from the remain campaigns strategy.

 

[jagman2]

I’ll give you an option 4 . It’s a modification of option 3. Get a member of the public to take them to court. Lessons can and have been learnt from the remain campaigns strategy.

The UK Government does not have to take it to court
An independence referendum is reserved to the UK Government. Thats why Sturgeon is trying to bait Boris on it, because she has absolutely no legal right to hold a referendum, it is not legal. She knows it.

She is a liar, the SNP Roadmap claims to hold the legal right to hold a referendum and insists it is up to the UK Government to prove her wrong. That simply is not true.
HMG does not have to take it to court, Holyrood does not have the legal ability to call a referendum and Section 30 does not allow them to change the law to do so

Boris/HMG has the absolute legal right to make the decision, Holyrood does not.
Sturgeon knows she is misleading but thinks she can make Boris carry the can.

 

[wrinklyone]

The UK Government does not have to take it to court
An independence referendum is reserved to the UK Government. Thats why Sturgeon is trying to bait Boris on it, because she has absolutely no legal right to hold a referendum, it is not legal. She knows it.

She is a liar, the SNP Roadmap claims to hold the legal right to hold a referendum and insists it is up to the UK Government to prove her wrong. That simply is not true.
HMG does not have to take it to court, Holyrood does not have the legal ability to call a referendum and Section 30 does not allow them to change the law to do so

Boris/HMG has the absolute legal right to make the decision, Holyrood does not.
Sturgeon knows she is misleading but thinks she can make Boris carry the can.

So, in my innocence, why does HMG allow her to lie and get away with it?

 

[PhotEx]

She really has become quite deranged.

 

[jagman2]

So, in my innocence, why does HMG allow her to lie and get away with it?

Buggered if I know.

I genuinely hope that there is a masterplan but I really do not know.

 

[Scaley Albereto]

So, in my innocence, why does HMG allow her to lie and get away with it?

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Napoleon Bonaparte

 

[stacker1]

So, in my innocence, why does HMG allow her to lie and get away with it?

Because it will be spun as the English telling the Jocks how to run their country.

 

[wrinklyone]

Because it will be spun as the English telling the Jocks how to run their country.

But spinning doesn't cut it if it is first of all, illegal, and secondly, never going to happen. Or am I dense? (answers on a postcard please)

 

[Auld-Yin]

So, in my innocence, why does HMG allow her to lie and get away with it?

Never disturb your enemy when they are making mistakes.

 

[exbluejob]

Never disturb your enemy when they are making mistakes.

Scroll up just one post.......

 

[Auld-Yin]

Never disturb your enemy when they are making mistakes.

Drat should read thread prior to posting.

Auld Yin 2021.

 

[Kitmarlowe]

My post in the Scottish politics thread makes a point about numbers. To wit, an Independence referendum called by Holyrood and unsupported by the Unionists is a very serious gamble

Post in thread 'Scottish Politics Thread' https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/scottish-politics-thread.226368/post-10545233


If the numbers fall wrong for the SNP the backlash could be fatal for various senior SNP figures and possibly the party.

If the SNP are foolish enough to go this way then Westminster should do everything to make sure this goes wrong.

From making sure the Electoral Commission does not rule on the question asked, making sure no party political broadcasts are made, refusing access to the normal voting locations and billing the SNP directly for everything.

 

[Niamac]

You're known by the company you keep.

PS The same search with Sturgeon instead of Salmond yields no picture.

 

[History_Man]

Without being political, I have been astonished at this “malicious prosecution” debacle and how little public attention it has been receiving.

All the hallmarks of the legal system of a banana republic right there.

 

[AfghanAndy]

The UK Government does not have to take it to court
An independence referendum is reserved to the UK Government. Thats why Sturgeon is trying to bait Boris on it, because she has absolutely no legal right to hold a referendum, it is not legal. She knows it.

She is a liar, the SNP Roadmap claims to hold the legal right to hold a referendum and insists it is up to the UK Government to prove her wrong. That simply is not true.
HMG does not have to take it to court, Holyrood does not have the legal ability to call a referendum and Section 30 does not allow them to change the law to do so

Boris/HMG has the absolute legal right to make the decision, Holyrood does not.
Sturgeon knows she is misleading but thinks she can make Boris carry the can.

SNP are great at creating grievance.

Merely highlighting that should at any point Sturegon et al decide to play funny buggers in order to get a ride from
Boris, instead of Westminster getting involved to feed the flames of victim hood that the SNP thrives on, then a member of the public can step in a la Gina Miller.

Ignore the genocide bit, but this is the SNPs modus operandi.

 

[Fat POM]

So, in my innocence, why does HMG allow her to lie and get away with it?

It is difficult to argue with someone who simply ignores you. Start to engage and the snotnats get an argument with the English to stoke the fire.