nice little wheeled Recce vehicle, what a shame they cancelled it

#3
If you don't mind me asking, what makes you say that it's a shame? I mean, did it do the job that much better? It doesn't exactly look all that pretty, was it to be far more capable? What ended up replacing the ferret and the fox instead?
 
#4
No, this is a nice little wheeled recce vehicle, that is also named after a furry creature. Fennek is the German name for the Desert Fox.

I saw three of these in Ohrdruf last year. Their equipment is absolutely state of the art.
 

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#5
I used to like my Ferret in the SBA recce Sqn. OK it was old style with a .30, petrol engine and A/B sets but it did the job. later ones were re-gunned with GPMG and heavier mine plating after he Beirut jaunt and Clansmanised. If they had retro-fitted a new diesel engine as well it could still be soldiering on in its job today. Very easy to drive and nippy as f*ck as the OC found out one day when his chevette was overtaken by one on the way back from Ay Nik (mind you it was on a downhill stretch of the road!).
 
#6
Fennek
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LGS Fennek

Royal Netherlands Army Fennek
Type Light armored reconnaissance vehicle
Place of origin Germany Germany,
Netherlands Netherlands
Specifications
Weight 9.7-10.4 tonnes
Length 5.71 m
Width 2.49 m
Height 1.79 m
Crew 3
Main
armament HK GMG 40 mm grenade autocannon or Rheinmetall MG3 (German version), M2HB 12.7 mm machine gun (Dutch versions)
Secondary
armament Not applicable
Engine Deutz diesel
179 kW (239 hp)
Power/weight 18.5 kW/tonne
Suspension Selectable 4 wheel drive
Operational
range 860 km
Speed 115 km/h
The Fennek, named after the fennec (a species of small desert fox), or LGS Fennek, with LGS being short for Leichter Gepanzerter Spähwagen in German (Light Armoured Reconnaissance Vehicle), is a four wheeled armed reconnaissance vehicle produced by the German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Dutch Defence Vehicle Systems. It was developed for both the German Army and Royal Netherlands Army to replace their current vehicles.

In April 2000, the prototype vehicle finished field trials and in December 2001 a combined order was placed. 410 were ordered by the Royal Netherlands Army (202 reconnaissance, 130 MRAT (medium range antitank) and 78 general purpose versions) and 222 by the German military (178 reconnaissance, 24 combat engineer, 20 joint fire support teams (JFST)). More Fenneks for the German Army will be procured from 2015 on. Germany plans an overall purchase of approximately 300 Fenneks. The first vehicle was delivered to the Netherlands in July 2003[1] and the first to Germany in December of the same year. Deliveries will continue until 2011 (additional orders for the German Army are planned from 2015 on).
The Dutch SP Aerospace company, which produced the Fennek for the Dutch military, was declared bankrupt in August 2004. A new company called Dutch Defence Vehicle Systems (DDVS)[2] was created to continue the production of the vehicles for the Royal Netherlands Army.
Specifications[edit source | editbeta]

The Fennek has four wheels with selectable two or four wheel drive. It has a Deutz diesel engine producing 179 kW, giving it a top speed of 115 km/h. Tire pressure can be regulated by the driver from inside the vehicle to suit terrain conditions.
The primary mission equipment is an observation package mounted on an extendable mast. Sensors include a thermal imager, daylight camera and a laser rangefinder. Combined with the vehicle's GPS and inertial navigation system the operator can accurately mark targets or points of interest and pass that data to the digital battlefield network. The sensor head of the observation package can also be removed and mounted on a tripod for concealed operation, as can the control unit from the vehicle should the crew want to use the entire system dismounted.[3] Many Fenneks of the German Army are also equipped with Aladin miniature UAVs.
Various weapons can be fitted, such as a 12.7 mm machine gun for the Dutch reconnaissance version, a Rafael Spike anti-tank missile on the Dutch MRAT version or a 40 mm automatic grenade launcher (HK GMG) or Rheinmetall MG3 for the German vehicles. The Royal Netherlands Army also placed an order at the Turkish company Aselsan for 18 Raytheon Stinger surface-to-air missile launchers to be fitted on the Fennek. The launcher in this case is the Stinger Weapon Platform (SWP), with four Stinger missiles intended for mid-range air defence. The launcher can be controlled from on board the vehicle, or else remotely as part of a distributed air defense system. On the Dutch Fennek the primary weapon is the 7.62 millimeter machine gun.
The vehicle is protected all-round against 7.62 mm rounds and additional armour can be added if the mission requires. The air conditioning system provides protection against nuclear, biological and chemical warfare and the crew compartment is protected against anti-personnel mines.[4]

Both Germany and the Netherlands have deployed Fennek reconnaissance vehicles to Afghanistan in support of ISAF.[5] On 3 November 2007 a Dutch Fennek was hit by an improvised explosive device killing one and wounding two other occupants. The vehicle and its crew were taking part in an offensive operation targeting the Taliban in the province of Uruzgan, Afghanistan.[6] In another incident a German Fennek was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade.[7] Its hollow charge jet penetrated the vehicle through the right front wheel rim, passed through the vehicle and blew the left door off the hinge. Thanks to the spall liner the crew sustained only negligible injuries.


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#7
The Vixen was a Ferret replacement, not a Fox replacement.

It was basically a Ferret built with Fox components. It had a useful increase in internal volume compared with the Ferret and parts compatibility with the Fox. However, these advantages were not seen as large enough to justify continuing with it.
 
#8
The Vixen was a Ferret replacement, not a Fox replacement.

It was basically a Ferret built with Fox components. It had a useful increase in internal volume compared with the Ferret and parts compatibility with the Fox. However, these advantages were not seen as large enough to justify continuing with it.
At least it wouldn't have been as top heavy as Fox.
 
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bokkatankie

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#9
At least it wouldn't have been as top heavy as Fox.
Irrelevant as it was never going to replace the Fox!!!!!

Vixen was a usual botch job, thank god it never entered service. The turret ended up on 432, it was useless on that also.
 
#10
At least it wouldn't have been as top heavy as Fox.
We had the Ferrets with the turret and .30 Browning machine gun. They were top heavy too. I rolled twice in them, once when the intercom failed and my driver backed over an embankment and once when we bounced out of control (the large wheels tended to bounce on rough ground) down an embankment just above the autobahn to Hannover, stopping only because the light wooden fence separating the autobahn from the woods above it broke up as we hit it.

In the late 1960s Sapper Troops had four 432s and three Ferrets. Ferrets were not my favourite vehicle. The Spartan which replaced them was much better.
 
#14
^ ^ ^ They could be dangerous in Cyprus as well on the roads with a single strip of macadam down the middle and dirt sides- had a bad habit of crumbling away at the wrong point! God help the Troop Commander who had to make the decision to release a towline before it pulled a second vehicle over a cliff! That made for some interesting paperwork and we hadn't seen a .30 shaped like a pretzel before that. This is C Sqn 1 RTR in 1984, with the UN Recce Tp paying a visit. Not sure if it the only time one Regt fulfilled both SBA Sqn and UN Tp.
 

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#15
ISTR the original "liaison" version was the Mk1, the Mk 2 being the version with the added Saracen turret and .30 Browning, and further Mks with various improvements and added Vigilant, Swingfire etc.

Having said that, the last ones I saw in British Army operational use were the Mk1, described by one ally as the "really neat new British recce vehicle".
 
#16
I’m with Bokkatankie on this one. We had those turrets on our 432’ in the 80’s. The Gun was a L36 (GPMG) so ok but the sight was supposed to be an illuminated Christmas trees shaped thing, as part of the main viewing prism. I say supposed to be, as no one could see the bloody things.

I don’t know if they were all shagged or you had to be colour blind to see the thing, but I only know of a couple of blokes that could. The end result was you would just hose the place down with tracer to get onto target. All this whilst suspended from the turret strapped to a seat /harness set that would not look out place in a specialist gimp dungeon (don’t ask me how I know that last bit)
 
#17
^ ^ ^ They could be dangerous in Cyprus as well on the roads with a single strip of macadam down the middle and dirt sides- had a bad habit of crumbling away at the wrong point! God help the Troop Commander who had to make the decision to release a towline before it pulled a second vehicle over a cliff! That made for some interesting paperwork and we hadn't seen a .30 shaped like a pretzel before that. This is C Sqn 1 RTR in 1984, with the UN Recce Tp paying a visit. Not sure if it the only time one Regt fulfilled both SBA Sqn and UN Tp.
I was there 84-86 and for some of that time we had a LG Sqn with UNFICYP. I cannot remember whether they had a second squadron in the SBA.
 

AlienFTM

MIA
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Not sure if it the only time one Regt fulfilled both SBA Sqn and UN Tp.
No. 15/19H left Omagh for Tidworth in May 1976 less C Squadron to the SBA and thence to Paderborn in October 1977.

In the meantime, B Sqn fulfilled UNFICYP Force Reserve Squadron September 76 - March 77 to be replaced by A Squadron March - September 1977.

Seeing our white FSCs beside the green / black ones of C Sqn, I always felt the gloss white made them look a whole lot bigger.

As to Vixen. I was in Basic at Catterick in late 1975 when the corporal stopped us doing what we were doing and pointed. "Look, see, you'll never see another one of them. It's a Vixen and it's been cancelled."

Little did he know I'd leave the army and settle a short drive from the Tank Museum and I see a Vixen a couple of times a year.
 

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#20
I’m with Bokkatankie on this one. We had those turrets on our 432’ in the 80’s. The Gun was a L36 (GPMG) so ok but the sight was supposed to be an illuminated Christmas trees shaped thing, as part of the main viewing prism. I say supposed to be, as no one could see the bloody things.

I don’t know if they were all shagged or you had to be colour blind to see the thing, but I only know of a couple of blokes that could. The end result was you would just hose the place down with tracer to get onto target. All this whilst suspended from the turret strapped to a seat /harness set that would not look out place in a specialist gimp dungeon (don’t ask me how I know that last bit)
Not the L37?
 

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