Niall Ferguson - "Democratic War in Iraq"?

#2
Direct link-age to the opinion piece in question. If you're going to try and start a discussion about something in the news, it's often a good idea to give a way for others to read it. Granted all it took was a quick search but people are lazy bastards sometimes so it doesn't hurt. :)
 
#3
Extracted from the article is this
Last Thursday's election in Iraq is being interpreted in Washington as evidence that the neo-con approach may yet work. Certainly, the high turn-outs recorded - especially in the Sunni areas - are the nicest pre-Christmas present Mr Bush could have wished for. Moreover, opinion polls show that ordinary Iraqis are looking forward optimistically to a democratic future. Are Iraqis sorry Saddam was overthrown? Harold Pinter, please note: 80 per cent of people in the mainly Kurdish provinces and 58 per cent of people in the mainly Shi'ite provinces think the United States was "right to invade Iraq"; 70 per cent of all Iraqis approve of the new constitution and almost as many expect life to be better a year from now.
'Looking forward optimistically to a democratic future' What, something like the democratic systems that elected Bush and Blair? Both got in as best of a bad bunch with much controversy, low turnouts and vote abuse allegations. The Iraqui will see through this in short order and will be back to square 1 in a very short time. Still, if it gives us 'peace' long enough for us to cut and run, it'll be a good deal.
 
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OldRedCap said:
Extracted from the article is this
Last Thursday's election in Iraq is being interpreted in Washington as evidence that the neo-con approach may yet work. Certainly, the high turn-outs recorded - especially in the Sunni areas - are the nicest pre-Christmas present Mr Bush could have wished for. Moreover, opinion polls show that ordinary Iraqis are looking forward optimistically to a democratic future. Are Iraqis sorry Saddam was overthrown? Harold Pinter, please note: 80 per cent of people in the mainly Kurdish provinces and 58 per cent of people in the mainly Shi'ite provinces think the United States was "right to invade Iraq"; 70 per cent of all Iraqis approve of the new constitution and almost as many expect life to be better a year from now.
'Looking forward optimistically to a democratic future' What, something like the democratic systems that elected Bush and Blair? Both got in as best of a bad bunch with much controversy, low turnouts and vote abuse allegations. The Iraqui will see through this in short order and will be back to square 1 in a very short time. Still, if it gives us 'peace' long enough for us to cut and run, it'll be a good deal.
This is Naill Ferguson. His line of argument is that an American Empire would be a good thing - but would only work if it was run by the Brits. :) Annoying both the Left and right is good for book sales apparently.
 
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Brick said:
Direct link-age to the opinion piece in question. If you're going to try and start a discussion about something in the news, it's often a good idea to give a way for others to read it. Granted all it took was a quick search but people are lazy bastards sometimes so it doesn't hurt. :)
Fair enough, but it was late; I was tired; assumed anyone sufficiently interested would probably make the minimal effort required.
 
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Brick said:
Direct link-age to the opinion piece in question. If you're going to try and start a discussion about something in the news, it's often a good idea to give a way for others to read it. Granted all it took was a quick search but people are lazy bastards sometimes so it doesn't hurt. :)
And some are just cheeky gits!! :wink: :D
 
#7
"It was the ethnic diversity of populations, especially in Central and Eastern Europe, that made new nation states so unstable after 1918, as majorities lorded it over minorities, who in turn looked abroad for support. It was the extraordinarily erratic performance of the European economies in the 1920s and 1930s that drove millions to embrace extreme political ideologies, such as communism and fascism. And it was imperial weakness - British overstretch, in particular, but also the internal instability of the German, Austrian and Russian empires - that made full-scale war so hard to avoid."

Wish I could write like that, so true.
WW III will start in Mid East IMHO.
john
Brick ya right but sum of us lazy Barsteards are not werry computator litterate. Onest
 
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Pteranadon said:
This is Naill Ferguson. His line of argument is that an American Empire would be a good thing - but would only work if it was run by the Brits. :) Annoying both the Left and right is good for book sales apparently.
There is also R D Kaplan who presents a theory (Imperial Grunts ISBN I 4000-6132-6) of American Imperialism due to the pervasive influence of US forces and diplomats based in so many foreign countries. After all these years! All that tea wasted when thrown overboard! Maybe the colonial jurisdiction we ran was not so bad after all?
 
#9
That tea was wasted because Britain had done away withe the tea tax, so putting Local Businessmen out of their smuggling profits.
The War of Independance came three years later, I know one US lecturer who has claimed for years the majority of Colonials where not anti Brit but just dragged into the War for Freedom.
john
US Fortunes
Roosevelt--China White
Kennadys--Phrohibition Bootlegging
Booshes----?
 
#10
That tea was wasted because Britain had done away withe the tea tax, so putting Local Businessmen out of their smuggling profits.
The War of Independance came three years later, I know one US lecturer who has claimed for years the majority of Colonials where not anti Brit but just dragged into the War for Freedom.
john
US Fortunes
Roosevelt--China White
Kennadys--Phrohibiition Bootlegging
Booshes----?
 
#11
That tea was wasted because Britain had done away withe the tea tax, so putting Local Businessmen out of their smuggling profits.
The War of Independance came three years later, I know one US lecturer who has claimed for years the majority of Colonials where not anti Brit but just dragged into the War for Freedom.
john
US Fortunes
Roosevelt--China White
Kennadys--Phrohibiition Bootlegging
Booshes----?
 
#12
As I recall the split was roughly ⅓, ⅓, ⅓.
⅓ pro Brit
⅓ anti Brit
⅓ didn't care

Also at that time, approximately 1/6 of the population of the UK lived in the 13 colonies.

PB
 

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