"NI kicking off again" again.

#1
Dissident republicans are inept but dangerous, Northern Ireland's chief constable has said.

linky

Sir Hugh said dissident republican groups had failed "to mount anything that's even close to being sustained".

"When you're a small cornered animal going in one direction, when Northern Ireland and indeed the universe is going in another, you lash out," he said.

"What we are seeing is a group of disorganised but dangerous people lashing out - that's why we're concerned."
 
#2
I know that Sir Hugh knows his stuff, but I am not at all convinced that we will see any kind of return to the "good old days"
 
#3
predatorplus said:
Dissident republicans are inept but dangerous, Northern Ireland's chief constable has said.

linky

Sir Hugh said dissident republican groups had failed "to mount anything that's even close to being sustained".

"When you're a small cornered animal going in one direction, when Northern Ireland and indeed the universe is going in another, you lash out," he said.

"What we are seeing is a group of disorganised but dangerous people lashing out - that's why we're concerned."
They would be still behind bars if it wasn't for the bliar govt.
:x
 
#4
I can just see the headline in An Phoblacht: splitters in muppet terrorism shock.
 
#5
Tytus_Barnowl said:
predatorplus said:
Dissident republicans are inept but dangerous, Northern Ireland's chief constable has said.

linky

Sir Hugh said dissident republican groups had failed "to mount anything that's even close to being sustained".

"When you're a small cornered animal going in one direction, when Northern Ireland and indeed the universe is going in another, you lash out," he said.

"What we are seeing is a group of disorganised but dangerous people lashing out - that's why we're concerned."
They would be still behind bars if it wasn't for the bliar govt.
:x

The main players are well known

Most of them are still out on licence from the good friday agreement

if they are consorting with terrorists- surely thats a breach of teh licence

why not revoke the licence and put them back behind bars


oh nearly forgot

the murdering scumbag criminal gnagsters
 
#6
They would have to be mad to launch an armed campaign at this time. They would get none of the world's sympathy or support now, and could be dealt with in a very harsh manner. Far better to pursue a political course. May take longer to get your way, but it will happen.
 
#7
hedgie said:
Tytus_Barnowl said:
predatorplus said:
Dissident republicans are inept but dangerous, Northern Ireland's chief constable has said.

linky

Sir Hugh said dissident republican groups had failed "to mount anything that's even close to being sustained".

"When you're a small cornered animal going in one direction, when Northern Ireland and indeed the universe is going in another, you lash out," he said.

"What we are seeing is a group of disorganised but dangerous people lashing out - that's why we're concerned."
They would be still behind bars if it wasn't for the bliar govt.
:x

The main players are well known

Most of them are still out on licence from the good friday agreement

if they are consorting with terrorists- surely thats a breach of teh licence

why not revoke the licence and put them back behind bars


oh nearly forgot

the murdering scumbag criminal gnagsters
They can't put them back behind bars, thats an infringement of their human rights.
Like any of them can be classed as human beings. duh :x
 
#8
KevinB said:
They would have to be mad to launch an armed campaign at this time. They would get none of the world's sympathy or support now, and could be dealt with in a very harsh manner. Far better to pursue a political course. May take longer to get your way, but it will happen.
The Green Book's 32 County socialist Ireland was at no point in the 20th century remotely realistic. Chucky romantic sacrifice for holy motherland is not grounded in utilitarian motives any more than what the Taliban in Afghanistan aspire to.
 
#9
Now call me cynical BUT The nutters are still out there, WE let them out under the Good Friday agreement and lets say if AQ wanted to cause the Army to be even more over deployed, what better way than giving these bloody lunatics funds to do it with!

Even the threat would cause the Mod (Suits) to rethink some of their deployments and keep SOMEONE in reserve just in case!

With the threat of the Balkans as well, GOD WE could be well screwed.

Conscription - Conscription - Conscription! :wink:
 
#11
alib said:
KevinB said:
They would have to be mad to launch an armed campaign at this time. They would get none of the world's sympathy or support now, and could be dealt with in a very harsh manner. Far better to pursue a political course. May take longer to get your way, but it will happen.
The Green Book's 32 County socialist Ireland was at no point in the 20th century remotely realistic. Chucky romantic sacrifice for holy motherland is not grounded in utilitarian motives any more than what the Taliban in Afghanistan aspire to.
Nothing unrealistic about a united Ireland, and I am sure it will happen one day - just that it won't be socialist and it won't be as soon as some want it. Do you really think Sinn Fein has given up on this? It has not.

I do not care at this point. My home is my home and would be whether Ireland is one or no. And UK would be better without the albatross of the six round it.
 
#13
SauceDoctor said:
How's the weather in cloud-cuckoo land Kev?

The Republic doesn't want us.
Not in cuckoo land. Am aware of how some in ROI view us - yea, like an albatross also. But that doesn't mean it will not happen eventually, as Brit influence fades and Catholic population in the six rises. What do you think this SF infiltration of the power structures in the North and the destruction of Prod neighbourhoods and cultures is about?
 
#14
KevinB said:
They would have to be mad to launch an armed campaign at this time. They would get none of the world's sympathy or support now, and could be dealt with in a very harsh manner. Far better to pursue a political course. May take longer to get your way, but it will happen.
They are hardly launching their armed campaign. CIRA have existed since 1986 and have been launching attacks since 1994. RIRA have been active since 1996.

Their operational tempo is nowhere near as high as PIRAs was but there has been a constant trickle of attacks. Very few of them are that succesful but the same could be said of PIRA only they launched many more attacks and therefore had more succesful ones.

They will eventually wither away due to the fact that have been consistently unable to gain support within the Nationalist community but I believe that will take many years yet.
 
#15
KevinB said:
SauceDoctor said:
How's the weather in cloud-cuckoo land Kev?

The Republic doesn't want us.
Not in cuckoo land. Am aware of how some in ROI view us - yea, like an albatross also. But that doesn't mean it will not happen eventually, as Brit influence fades and Catholic population in the six rises. What do you think this SF infiltration of the power structures in the North and the destruction of Prod neighbourhoods and cultures is about?
There have been some interesting studies on this in the past few years and the general concensus is that birth rates have roughly evened out and if emmigration rates remain the same there won't actually ever be a Catholic majority. Add to that the fact that there are still a lot of Catholics who wouldn't vote for a united Ireland in the North and I don't think I'll be applying for an ROI passport anytime soon.
 
#16
LEGZ30 said:
KevinB said:
They would have to be mad to launch an armed campaign at this time. They would get none of the world's sympathy or support now, and could be dealt with in a very harsh manner. Far better to pursue a political course. May take longer to get your way, but it will happen.
They are hardly launching their armed campaign. CIRA have existed since 1986 and have been launching attacks since 1994. RIRA have been active since 1996.

Their operational tempo is nowhere near as high as PIRAs was but there has been a constant trickle of attacks. Very few of them are that succesful but the same could be said of PIRA only they launched many more attacks and therefore had more succesful ones.

They will eventually wither away due to the fact that have been consistently unable to gain support within the Nationalist community but I believe that will take many years yet.
I agree they may not be up to this, but that does not mean some do not want to foolishly return to violence. But the point is, even if they did, they would be ostracised and isolated this time round. However, they serve as good distractions and scapegoats, in any case. Who can tell who is pulling their strings?
 
#17
KevinB said:
SauceDoctor said:
How's the weather in cloud-cuckoo land Kev?

The Republic doesn't want us.
Not in cuckoo land. Am aware of how some in ROI view us - yea, like an albatross also. But that doesn't mean it will not happen eventually, as Brit influence fades and Catholic population in the six rises. What do you think this SF infiltration of the power structures in the North and the destruction of Prod neighbourhoods and cultures is about?
My arrse. There has been increased "ghettoisation", but it isn't all one-way traffic - Look at Larne, wholesale intimidation of the Roman Catholic population where until comparatively lately there had been a cohesive local community.

I also fail to see why British influence would "fade". All Protestants are Unionists, but not all Unionists are Protestant.
 
#18
KevinB said:
LEGZ30 said:
KevinB said:
They would have to be mad to launch an armed campaign at this time. They would get none of the world's sympathy or support now, and could be dealt with in a very harsh manner. Far better to pursue a political course. May take longer to get your way, but it will happen.
They are hardly launching their armed campaign. CIRA have existed since 1986 and have been launching attacks since 1994. RIRA have been active since 1996.

Their operational tempo is nowhere near as high as PIRAs was but there has been a constant trickle of attacks. Very few of them are that succesful but the same could be said of PIRA only they launched many more attacks and therefore had more succesful ones.

They will eventually wither away due to the fact that have been consistently unable to gain support within the Nationalist community but I believe that will take many years yet.
I agree they may not be up to this, but that does not mean some do not want to foolishly return to violence. But the point is, even if they did, they would be ostracised and isolated this time round. However, they serve as good distractions and scapegoats, in any case. Who can tell who is pulling their strings?
I think you are missing my point. CIRA and RIRA are not returning to violence, they never stopped. They are already isolated and only have the support of a very small number of hardcore Republicans north and south of the border and some of the more extreme elements of the US Irish community. None of which seems to be putting them off.
 
#19
LEGZ30 said:
KevinB said:
SauceDoctor said:
How's the weather in cloud-cuckoo land Kev?

The Republic doesn't want us.
Not in cuckoo land. Am aware of how some in ROI view us - yea, like an albatross also. But that doesn't mean it will not happen eventually, as Brit influence fades and Catholic population in the six rises. What do you think this SF infiltration of the power structures in the North and the destruction of Prod neighbourhoods and cultures is about?
There have been some interesting studies on this in the past few years and the general concensus is that birth rates have roughly evened out and if emmigration rates remain the same there won't actually ever be a Catholic majority. Add to that the fact that there are still a lot of Catholics who wouldn't vote for a united Ireland in the North and I don't think I'll be applying for an ROI passport anytime soon.
It will depend on who is emigrating. SF is counting on it being more Poles, who are Catholic and tend to have large familes. They have put a lot of work into recruiting them. And of course not every Catholic is for a united Ireland, nor every Prod against it, but overall, it tends to fall on religious lines. And I didn't say it will be fast - at least another twenty to thirty years.
 
#20
LEGZ30 wrote:
I think you are missing my point. CIRA and RIRA are not returning to violence, they never stopped. They are already isolated and only have the support of a very small number of hardcore Republicans north and south of the border and some of the more extreme elements of the US Irish community. None of which seems to be putting them off.
Right now, they are very disgusted with SF and so have stepped up their rhetoric. Whether it leads to more violence, who knows. The point is the isolation and relative lack of resources may not put them off, but they will never be viable with the majority of people - so in that sense, they are mad - or at least not pragmatic.
 

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