Next Generation Medium Lift

[rampant]

UK has joined Germany, Franc, Italy and Greece in the Next Generation Rotorvrsft Capability Program. A multinational European project to develop a new Medium Lift Multirole Helicopter

UK to develop new Medium Multi Role Helicopter

France, Germany, Greece, Italy and the United Kingdom have announced the launch of a multinational project.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

There are a number of existing products from both Leonardoo and Airbus which would fit the bill, though, as discussed elsewhere (P8 Thread), the AW139 would fit the bill quite nicely

UK to develop new Medium Multi Role Helicopter

France, Germany, Greece, Italy and the United Kingdom have announced the launch of a multinational project.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Five European allies sign on to build NATO’s next medium-lift helicopter

France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy and Greece each signed letters of intent to participate in the program, dubbed “Next-Generation Rotorcraft Capability,” or NGRC.

www.defensenews.com

Airbus Helicopters willing to collaborate on next-generation European military rotorcraft

Europe's helicopter manufacturers must be willing to collaborate on a future medium-class multirole rotorcraft programme to meet the needs of the continent's military customers, according to one industry leader.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[Raven2008]

UK has joined Germany, Franc, Italy and Greece in the Next Generation Rotorvrsft Capability Program. A multinational European project to develop a new Medium Lift Multirole Helicopter

UK to develop new Medium Multi Role Helicopter

France, Germany, Greece, Italy and the United Kingdom have announced the launch of a multinational project.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

There are a number of existing products from both Leonardoo and Airbus which would fit the bill, though, as discussed elsewhere (P8 Thread), the AW139 would fit the bill quite nicely

UK to develop new Medium Multi Role Helicopter

France, Germany, Greece, Italy and the United Kingdom have announced the launch of a multinational project.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Five European allies sign on to build NATO’s next medium-lift helicopter

France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy and Greece each signed letters of intent to participate in the program, dubbed “Next-Generation Rotorcraft Capability,” or NGRC.

www.defensenews.com

Airbus Helicopters willing to collaborate on next-generation European military rotorcraft

Europe's helicopter manufacturers must be willing to collaborate on a future medium-class multirole rotorcraft programme to meet the needs of the continent's military customers, according to one industry leader.

www.flightglobal.com

AW139M too small and we already got Wildcat but Leonardo was touting AW149 as possible Puma replacement.

UK Mulls Puma Replacement Plans

The UK operates an aging fleet of Puma support helicopters rapidly approaching the end of their service lives.

www.ainonline.com

TBT Farnborough 2016, Leonardo came out with added weight to the AW149 So here are my photos of AW149 pair. Also it certified to carry Russian munitions. Two years earlier Italian MoD / Directorate of Armaments certified the AW149 (funnily enough on the first day of Farnborough IRSHOW 2014 when they brought over the AW149).

Also I’ve mentioned on another thread, we are also looking to partake in the US Army FVL be it Bell V-280 or Sikorsky Boeing SB-1 Defiant.

British Army flags potential interest in US FVL helicopter programme

A senior army officer says the UK military is still evaluating how to replace its combined medium-category transport helicopters, but has warned European industry that unless it develops a future rotorcraft that offers a step-change in speed and range capability, then it may instead select...

www.flightglobal.com

 

[CC_TA]

ISTR we might be getting a handful of Pavehawks/Blackhawks for ferrying bearded buggers around?

 

[AULD_SWEAT]

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[Raven2008]

ISTR we might be getting a handful of Pavehawks/Blackhawks for ferrying bearded buggers around?

there was a rumor Pushed forward with Sikorsky teaming up with Shorts / Bombardier (similar with manufacturing under license wotj then Westlamds in the late 80s.) but no.

SF priority is the 16 x H-47ER which will be the equivalent of the NightstalkeRS MH-47G Block II

United Kingdom – H-47 Chinook (Extended Range) Helicopters and Accessories | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

But we have not done the our Part and coughed up and signed on the dotted line.

cheers

 

[Raven2008]

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The H-92 was one consideration For the Support Amphibious Battlefield Rotorcraft (SABR) in 1999 along with Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion, Boeing H-47 and NH Industries NH90.

N492SR was thr Company demonstrator First for the original HMX-1 Marine One replacement in 2002/3. It also went on European tour twice once in 2003 (my pic still in Presidential colors at Helitech 2003 at Duxford) and in 2008. Farnborough Air Show as mil H-92 (my photos again).

Btw most militaries use S-92 as VIP around the World the only true mil customer is the RCAF with the CH-148 Cyclone so here is my photos of,first one at Paris Air Show 2011.

Cheers

 

[terminal]

The H-92 was one consideration For the Support Amphibious Battlefield Rotorcraft (SABR) in 1999 along with Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion, Boeing H-47 and NH Industries NH90.

N492SR was thr Company demonstrator First for the original HMX-1 Marine One replacement in 2002/3. It also went on European tour twice once in 2003 (my pic still in Presidential colors at Helitech 2003 at Duxford) and in 2008. Farnborough Air Show as mil H-92 (my photos again).

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Btw most militaries use S-92 as VIP around the World the only true mil customer is the RCAF with the CH-148 Cyclone so here is my photos of,first one at Paris Air Show 2011.

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Cheers

Canada's experience with the Sikorsky Cyclone so far has not been a happy one.

 

[Raven2008]

Canada's experience with the Sikorsky Cyclone so far has not been a happy one.

Speaking of Canada and not a Happy one lol

 

[rampant]

Leonardo pitching AW149 as Puma replacement

 

[Raven2008]

Leonardo pitching AW149 as Puma replacement

First time I came across the AW149 was Farnborough Airshow 2014 as had brief on it (my pics below).

That very first day of the News broke it had been certified by the Italian MoD / Armaments Agency.

cheers

 

[PhotEx]

Leonardo pitching AW149 as Puma replacement

Dear Leonardo - shove your commercial flop where the sun don't shine.
There's a VERY good reason no ones buying it, its Leonardos very expensive Blackhawk 'me too'.

 

[Soluton Architect]

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Why would they buy that instead of the indigenous Merlin ( again )?

Anyway I'm a great believer in assessing the complexity and support costs of a helicopter fleet by looking at the rotor hub. And that thing... does not look promising.

 

[Lindermyer]

Leonardo pitching AW149 as Puma replacement

Makes sense - basically an enlarged fuselage AW139 - an aircraft which has proven popular -

Only complaint i recall hearing was Gulf Helis - the 139 was a better pax bird but their 412s were better for underslung loads I dont recall why - and it may have changed on later models.

Lots of concerns over it being composite structure - but that sort of things been mooted about everything not built like a DC3 since 1945

Bristows use both for HM Coastguard - so theres local experience that can be leant on viz tech issues.

I acknowledge it fails the benchmark "is it a US product" test which by default makes it garbage

 

[Lindermyer]

Why would they buy that instead of the indigenous Merlin ( again )?

Merlins to big.

Personally I would take Puma off the RAF - hand over the bulk of wildcat (f not all) to the navy and replace both with 149 sized AC in Army service

Leaving Chinnok firmy where it belongs (crab air) and helping alleviate the RN shortage in airframes - but not admittadly ASW

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[AULD_SWEAT]

Why would they buy that instead of the indigenous Merlin ( again )?

Anyway I'm a great believer in assessing the complexity and support costs of a helicopter fleet by looking at the rotor hub. And that thing... does not look promising.

The three engined Austin Allegro of rotorcraft?

 

[irlsgt]

Makes sense - basically an enlarged fuselage AW139 - an aircraft which has proven popular -

Only complaint i recall hearing was Gulf Helis - the 139 was a better pax bird but their 412s were better for underslung loads I dont recall why - and it may have changed on later models.

Lots of concerns over it being composite structure - but that sort of things been mooted about everything not built like a DC3 since 1945

Bristows use both for HM Coastguard - so theres local experience that can be leant on viz tech issues.

I acknowledge it fails the benchmark "is it a US product" test which by default makes it garbage

we have the AW139 (not the M version unfortunately)

 

[rampant]

Makes sense - basically an enlarged fuselage AW139 - an aircraft which has proven popular -

Only complaint i recall hearing was Gulf Helis - the 139 was a better pax bird but their 412s were better for underslung loads I dont recall why - and it may have changed on later models.

Lots of concerns over it being composite structure - but that sort of things been mooted about everything not built like a DC3 since 1945

Bristows use both for HM Coastguard - so theres local experience that can be leant on viz tech issues.

I acknowledge it fails the benchmark "is it a US product" test which by default makes it garbage

There seems to be a buy British, or British made, drive now, so it fits that quite nicely, the AW139 has done well as you've said, the civi version of the the AW149, the AW189, has done well through sales and licensing agreements too. We already operate AW189 for SAR.

 

[Lindermyer]

We already operate AW189 for SAR.

Yes I meant that - I know I called it 149 in my post - which is a sin on a par with calling the S61 a seaking

 

[AULD_SWEAT]

Yes I meant that - I know I called it 149 in my post - which is a sin on a par with calling the S61 a seaking

Not a mortal sin....

 

[Raven2008]

Merlins to big.

Personally I would take Puma off the RAF - hand over the bulk of wildcat (f not all) to the navy and replace both with 149 sized AC in Army service

Leaving Chinnok firmy where it belongs (crab air) and helping alleviate the RN shortage in airframes - but not admittadly ASW

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Theres always been talk like this for near 4 deacdes, of should we follow most armed forces within NATO, such as army has battelfield support helos and thats that, leaving the RAF with SAR and (wishful thinking) CSAR.

But like everything else, is mooted with inter service rivalry and the RAF being the be all and end all. Suppose thats why JHC was created in late 90s. I also believe the army foots the bill for the RAF Chinook support at times..

Mind you the Dutch air force are sole owners and keepers of battlefield and naval helos, likewise with the Danes (they kept swapping and changing with Danish Air Force, has this, then the Army has this and Navy and now its under air force control).

cheers