Next Defence Secretary

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  1. With Mr Hoon about to retire with dignity and self respect intact (joke), do you think that John Reid will at last get the call? He was a brilliant Defence Minister and it was only because he was shafted by another Labour politician who ended up in a senior international politico/military position that he didn't get it ages ago.
    I'll do it....[​IMG]
  3. Not until Blair goes.

    John is far too indoctrinated in the ways of the Bluppet to get my vote at the moment.

    What about that Scots ex-Major whose name escapes me at the moment?
  4. Eric Joyce? You cannot be serious!
  5. Has to be better than Buff......

    Sorry, not a lot to choose from really.

    Errrrrr Glenda Jackson?
  6. Isn't it constitutionally feasible to appoint a Defence Secretary from outside Parliament? If so, the next Defence Secretary could be .................. CDS! Or probably more effective ................. Jim Davidson! He seems to have done more for the forces than the last few governments. Or what about Alastair Campbell - no, not the serving one(s) but T B Liar's spinmeister, now starring in an Inquiry near you.
    Personally, I'd choose anybody with the moral fibre to stand up for the forces when all around are gunning for them, which does rather limit the field these days. John Reid's the only valid contender.
  7. If time spent at the nick enquiry counter after closing tine , trying to negotiate the release of your equally drunk squaddie mates, is a pre qualifier, then Davidson gets the prize.

    Not quite sure if his line matches current policy on the "malvinas" though??
  8. Even more worrying is that man-hating lezzer Tessa hewitt from the DTI. she's reknowned for hating all things male, white and "non-representative of our culture". Wonder what she'll do when she reads that the army is grossly male, white and under 40?

    Good time to become a lezzer.

  9. Hewitt for the MOD would be a slightly grosser mistake than putting Herod in charge of caring for the First Born.

    Only a total ******** would do that.

    OH!! SHIT
  10. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator

    Having seen in the tabs what a total psycho Hewitt is the PM can't fail to stick her into the slot when Hoon finally falls from grace- the cuts in October should be interesting! Stand by the Kingos, QLR and the Jocks!
  11. Mushroom said "Only a total ******** would do that", and Tony BLiar
    is..... :?: [/quote]
  12. Q Man

    QLR, Kingos and KOSB should be safe as they will be on TELIC until Feb 04.

    Remember the all the fuss when Options tried to amalgamate Cheshires and Staffords when they were both on Ops - public outcry and that idea shelved......until Oct????
  13. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator

    Unfortunately, LE OC, civvies don't care about the army, the Tommy Atkins poem 100 years ago hasn't lost any of its truth.

    by Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

    I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
    The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
    The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
    I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
    O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
    But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
    The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
    O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

    I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
    They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
    They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
    But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
    But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
    The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
    O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

    Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
    Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
    An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
    Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
    Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
    But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
    The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
    O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

    We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
    But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
    An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
    Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
    While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
    But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
    There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
    O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

    You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
    We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
    Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
    The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
    But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
    An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
    An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

    As long as they don't have to queue to get seen by a doctor or get educated, the Forces are at the whim of people who haven't even served within the Ranks of servicemen! They have no military ethos or interest, just a stepping stone to higher things. And if that means stiffing a Regt or two then so be it!
  14. How about that classic boiler Clare Short for the next guv'nor at the MOD....! :p :p
  15. a good choice mr fizz, but may i suggest Cat Slater, currently working behind the bar in the Queen Vic?