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  1. The UK has become a "safe haven" for foreign suspects, rulings from the European Court of Human Rights mean it's difficult to remove dangerous people, the outgoing terror laws watchdog Lord Carlile has said. By no means News, but rather confirms that dodgy folks' "safety" in their own homeland isn't balanced against threats to our own security.

    "The effect is to make the UK a safe haven for some individuals whose determination is to damage the UK and its citizens, hardly a satisfactory situation" says Lord Carlile. So, Europe, and good old yooman rights remain a thorn in the arse of security and of democracy.

    Personally, it's always stuck in my craw for years that any troublesome and even dangerous gippo can roll up here, claiming yooman rights, peddling their polemics.

    Horse, door, bolted? yes, no question. Did this man not speak out during his tenure? And for how long will the relatively low legal threshold required for an individual to avoid deportation, carry on? Yep, been discussed before, doesn't change though.

    BBC News - Terror watchdog says UK is 'safe haven' for suspects
  2. Whats "news" about it?
    Its been a problem for years now and we've ignored it all along.
  3. TheIronDuke

    TheIronDuke LE Book Reviewer

    Just after 7/7 a journo interviewed a 'reformed' Jihadist who had poodled over here from France with some mates. "Why did you come to England?" he was asked.

    "In France the police shut down a street and check the ID of everyone in the cafes. In England we can walk undisturbed".
  4. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    I don't have problem with immigration into this country. In fact in many cases I think we have been too restrictive and have sought kept out people we should have been welcoming.

    But, and its two buts. Firstly I don't think that immigrants or asylum seekers should get anything from the state. Anyone entering the country needs to be able to show that they can support themselves and housing and medical needs. There would be no access to tax payer funded facilities (except education) until they become British citizens and that doesn't happen until they have paid tax for at least 5 years and can demonstrate integration into society.

    Secondly. Any immigrant or asylum seeker is a guest in this country. If they behave in a way that is incompatible with that status they should leave. If they act against the interest of this country or its friends and allies, if they are convicted of any but the most minor of crimes then out they go. On minor crimes it would be a 2 or 3 strikes and you're out job or at the discretion of the beak. Deporting some one for a parking offence may seem severe but repeated parking offences suggests a contempt for society and the rules and some one who is not integrating.

    I would also make deportation a civil matter so that it would not be necessary to prove beyond reasonable doubt but show that on the balance of probability they are behaving in a way that is not compatible with their status.

    In summary, come one come all, as long as you can afford it but bugger about and you're out.
  5. X59

    X59 LE

    Guys, remember, next time you're on Herrick, and you're on your belt buckle, scratching around for cover, please don't forget that you're there to prevent terror attacks on UK.

    Yeah, right !
  6. Now I would personally say that's something that makes our society great, but carry on...

    The NHS? So all immigrants have to keep out unless they can afford BUPA?

    I'd agree with that except that I'd say there's serious ethical issues about deporting someone to a place where they face certain torture, imprisonment, death and so on for 'being a general scrote'. For most people, carry on, but I think our own justice system needs to deal with the people in real danger 'at home' rather than sending them back.
  7. 1) It isn't unreasonable to establish the identity of those who you believe to be in your country illegally.

    2) Absofuckinglutley

    3) Why? Not our problem if they face harsh justice in their country of origin. All that has happened is that we have become a haven for the scum of the world to avoid justice in their own country. We support them and allow them to continue commiting their crimes here. The privlidge of allowing them to do so costs us a fortune.
    Deport them back to point of origin. Their fate there is non of my concern.
  8. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    I agree with your first point. I don't want to live in a police state either.

    With regard to the NHS yes! Why should people who come to this country get free health care? I wouldn't expect to go other countries and expect their tax payers to sub me.

    With regard to deporting people to dangerous countries. It's in their hands. Of they don't want to be thrown put then don't behave in a way that is incompatible with being a guest. The majority of people manage to live their lives without breaking the law, people who choose to do so should not complain about the consequences.

    Sent from my iPhone using ARRSE so please excuse fat fingers and slips of the keyboard.
  9. Sounds like youre creating a "citizenry" and a proleteriat there.
  10. AND remember,if you miss, the bugger could well be your next door neighbour when you get home!
  11. Nail hit on head,

    It's far from fresh news about the UK being a haven, it's being allowed to deal with 'real issues' with radical measures which is also the problem..
  12. Yesp. It's all thanks to those numpty Bone-heads of Nu Liarbore and heir obsessions with obeying the orders of the Euro-Socialists and Euro-trash Commies of EU-rine land. Between the 'Oomin Rites act' and our spineless, Liquid backboned politicians and Judiciary, it's no wonder the UK is magnet for all the political hoowers, wannabee terrorists, illegals, international people traffickers etc, etc to come to Blighty's Busted Shores becasue they know fullw ell the authorities will do nothing to them. We cannot even deport the F**wits.

    Melanie Philips a "Dail Wail" columninst on BBC 1 'QT' had it just right reply when she commented that the French Security Services had been warning the then Liarbore government about what was happening within our own borders for years. Of course this was all ignored by our Marxist friends in the Labour leadership - Mr B'Liar, Oaf McBalloon, Mandelson, Missy Smiff (and all the other Labour Home Secretaries), and all the rest of political oafs.

    Of course the current oafs in the Con-dem Coalition are just following the same oafish policies. They say they will change some of this legislation. Yeah!! And hell will freeze over before then. Twits....

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  13. No concern of mine either. Get rid.
  14. So what do you do about all the cnuts who are already British citizens and break many of these basic rules?

  15. Absufuckinglutely indeed!