News story: RAF typhoons investigate Russians over Black Sea

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Launching from the Romanian Mihail Kogălniceanu Air Base, the RAF Typhoons responded yesterday (August 23) to a Russian Be-12 heading south west over the Black Sea from Crimea. It’s the second time in a week that RAF jets, on NATO’s Air Policing mission, have been scrambled to deter provocative Russian aircraft and reassure Romania and NATO allies.

Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said:


Our commitment to NATO and European security is unwavering. Whether in the skies over the Black Sea and the Baltic, or on the ground in Estonia our actions send a clear message – we are collectively ready to respond to any act of aggression and will support our Eastern European allies to deter any threats faced.

1 (Fighter) Squadron, based at RAF Lossiemouth, is deployed to Romania as part of the NATO ‘Enhanced Air Policing’ mission, where assistance is provided to the Romanian Air Force’s own fleet of fast-jet aircraft.

A Typhoon pilot from 1(Fighter) Squadron, attached to 135 Expeditionary Air Wing (EAW) and on Quick Reaction Alert duty when the scramble was called said:

“We launched in response to a Russian Be-12 aircraft that was manoeuvring over the Black Sea. It is exactly what the RAF has been brought to Romania to do and it felt great to have been able to contribute towards the mission.”

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Any particular reason why the Romanians can't do their own QRA?
 
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Not really collective when the host Nation is unable/unwilling to invest in there own defence.
You have that wrong. The F16A/Bs bought (from memory 2nd hand from Portugal in 2015/16) are a direct result of RoAF re-investment in their national air defence capability. Prior to joining NATO, the RoAF had MiG29s however, under the NATO Defence Planning Process (despite the ambiguous name it's all about capability), Romania was advised to scrap them and invest in helicopters (which the alliance needed) as a/ there was no longer a Russian threat and b/ more helos were required for NATO expeditionary ops. Romania still has a reasonable ground-based air defence capability but that doesn't help you to shadow Russian aircraft in international airspace. If you want to point the finger on lack of national investment on air defence, you'd be better to look at the Baltic States, Iceland or the western Balkans new joiners.
 
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Is it just me or do other people take one look at a plane they've never seen before and think 'that must be Russian' just from its design?
Dead giveaways,
  1. Only the Russians / Chinese make flying boats of that size.
  2. Turboprop engines sticking way out in front of the wing
  3. Windows in the extreme front for observer / bomb aimer
  4. MAD boom hanging off the rear
3 is the real giveaway as only the Russkis still have observer windows right in the nose.

It is, however, an effective aircraft for it's intended purpose.
 
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Prior to joining NATO, the RoAF had MiG29s however, under the NATO Defence Planning Programme (despite the ambiguous name it's all about capability), Romania was advised to scrap them and invest in helicopters (which the alliance needed) as a/ there was no longer a Russian threat and b/ more helos were required for NATO expeditionary ops. R. If you want to point the finger on lack of national investment on air defence, you'd be better to look at the Baltic States, Iceland or the western Balkans new joiners.
And how often have they given their helis in any numbers for use on NATO ops??
Trump has a point - you want the benefit of the club, pay your way.
 
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You have that wrong. The F16A/Bs bought (from memory 2nd hand from Portugal in 2015/16) are a direct result of RoAF re-investment in their national air defence capability. Prior to joining NATO, the RoAF had MiG29s however, under the NATO Defence Planning Process (despite the ambiguous name it's all about capability), Romania was advised to scrap them and invest in helicopters (which the alliance needed) as a/ there was no longer a Russian threat and b/ more helos were required for NATO expeditionary ops. Romania still has a reasonable ground-based air defence capability but that doesn't help you to shadow Russian aircraft in international airspace. If you want to point the finger on lack of national investment on air defence, you'd be better to look at the Baltic States, Iceland or the western Balkans new joiners.
I'd have to check, but ISTR that the Russians withdrew support for the Mig-29s, partly because they suspected Romania would be in NATO ASAP and because they were keen on the proposed Israeli upgrade, which MiG objected to bitterly (not least because it promised to give the Romanians MiG-29s more capable than any other export version, which'd see much needed work being given to IAI rather than MiG...
 

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