News story: Novichok nerve agent use in Salisbury: UK government response

This is what is a bit strange. The Russians think we are Russophobic on this island but really we’re not we just think they’re cnuts. If you want Russophobia you have to go to the continent where the degree to which they despise Russians gets greater and greater the closer you get to Russia
In general I agree. However, you have the Czech President who is a Putin fan. There are many like that but, as you say, the Russophobia tends to be more pronounced the further East you go. An Estonian female I know hates them with a passion.
Yes of course the Russians will always find some useful idiots even in Eastern Europe where familiarity will tend to breed contempt.
 

Higgs_bosun

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Britain has done it again...self harm based upon zero evidence premature conclusions. Waiting for some tangible evidence before humiliated the entire country would have been prudent.
 
Britain has done it again...self harm based upon zero evidence premature conclusions. Waiting for some tangible evidence before humiliated the entire country would have been prudent.
Acting like an outraged virgin again because the UK government hasn’t chosen to share it’s forensic evidence with you personally.
I am curious what exactly would you want to do with e.g. a nerve agent contaminated sample of someone’s bodily fluids? Do you have the facilities to handle that on your premises?
 
Britain has done it again...self harm based upon zero evidence premature conclusions. Waiting for some tangible evidence before humiliated the entire country would have been prudent.
Who are you quoting? Or is it pigeon shouting again?

Premature conclusions? You’ve seen Porton Down’s report? Currently it’s ‘highly likely’ a bit like when you have evidence on an individual you arrest and question them. You don’t normally let them ‘run free’. In the diplomatic world that means expelling agents dressed up as diplomats.

I await the OPCW report personally to see if it concurs with Porton Down’s assessment or not.
 

Helm

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Britain has done it again...self harm based upon zero evidence premature conclusions. Waiting for some tangible evidence before humiliated the entire country would have been prudent.
Perhaps you could evidence just one of those claims? You know, you being the rational, open minded individual you claim to be.
 
You really do write some utter bollocks.
I was of the belief that if you are a mathematician you need a good grasp of logic. KGB's grasp of logic is very poor.
 
[Sergei mode=on]​
Until you can show us evidence that Russian diplomats requested access to Skripal, it remains an allegation. Other alternatives are possible, such that the Russian Consul says that he made a request without actually making one.​
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Some MSM confirm that Russia requested consular access to ms.Skripal. For example, the Washington Post
Russia to expel 23 British diplomats, close consulate in escalating row over poisoned ex-spy
The Skripals are reported to be in critical condition, but British authorities have provided no further information about their status. Russia has demanded consular access to Yulia Skripal, a Russian citizen, and complained that Britain has not responded to that request. Russia’s Investigative Committee opened a criminal case Friday into Yulia Skripal’s attempted murder.
But most of MSM especially British ones just don't mention the denial (by HMG) of consular access to ms.Skripal.
Meanwhile, Russian diplomats publicly continue to demand the consular access.
Russian Ambassador Suggests UK Using Salisbury Poisoning 'To Divert From Brexit'
Russia’s ambassador to London ... Yakovenko said it was “suspicious” that information about the case, including photographs of the victims, had not yet been released.
“All the investigation about the Skripals is classified,” he told RT. “We don’t have any information, we don’t have any access.
“Nobody saw even the pictures of these people in a hospital – whether they are alive or maybe they are in good health. Nobody talked to the doctors. There is absolutely no transparency in the case, and this worries us.”
Yakovenko said that under the Vienna Convention, Russia should be granted consular access to its citizens, adding: “Basically, Britain doesn’t respect international law and the way they are behaving puts a lot of questions.”
Look, Russian ambassador directly accused HMG, that it doesn't follow the Vienna convention, doesn't respect international law, that it hides ms.Skripal.
These claims were made. And there is no any HMG reaction.
What if ms.Skripal is now tortured by MI5 henchmen to force her make false claims or/and being kept in a dark dungeon with bugs and rats.
After Baha Mousa case in fact everything is possible.
 
What's so barmy about all this is that the new Russia had every opportunity to become a full partner in the progress of the West. Putin, instead, deliberately chose a path of confrontation, for no reason whatever except his own paranoia, which is already a proven disaster for ordinary Russians and which because of the want of ordinary legal protection makes anyone from outside seeking to invest in Russia look like a complete fool.

Zimbabwe with nukes, nerve agents, and snow, here they come.
Really? It appears that British investors have another point of view. Russia is a very profitable and reliable borrower.
Russia Sells $4 Billion Of Eurobonds Despite Escalating Tensions
March 17, 2018
Russia has sold $4 billion in debt on the Eurobond market in London despite rapidly escalating tensions with Britain and the West.
The demand for profitable Russian bonds was almost 2 fold higher
Global investors showed a robust appetite for two Eurobond issues Russia offered on March 16, according to the bond managers, who said they received $7.5 billion in bids -- nearly twice the amount of bonds for sale.
And who are the main investors in Russian bonds?
British investors bought nearly half of the largest, $2.5 billion issue and U.S. investors bought 20 percent of it.
So Gavin the puppy could bark but meanwhile real businessmen follow the principle - it's business, nothing personal.
Kieran Curtis, a money manager at Aberdeen Standard Investments in London ... who helps oversee about $14 billion in investments, said he is recommending that clients buy Russian debt and said he was considering buying some of the new bonds himself.
 
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Some MSM confirm that Russia requested consular access to ms.Skripal. For example, the Washington Post
Russia to expel 23 British diplomats, close consulate in escalating row over poisoned ex-spy

But most of MSM especially British ones just don't mention the denial (by HMG) of consular access to ms.Skripal.
Meanwhile, Russian diplomats publicly continue to demand the consular access.
Russian Ambassador Suggests UK Using Salisbury Poisoning 'To Divert From Brexit'
You're still pushing this agitprop line? Yet you want to be thought of as an independent Russian poster. Beggars belief. Where is the formal request? Where is the formal denial?

Where is the Russian Ambo with his team of Russian sycophants and agitprop film crews trying to get to your 'collateral damage' citizen at the hospital?
Look, Russian ambassador directly accused HMG, that it doesn't follow the Vienna convention, doesn't respect international law, that it hides ms.Skripal.
These claims were made. And there is no any HMG reaction.
I'd be the same and giving the agitprop a stiff ignoring. Funnily enough, none of these claims were made in Moscow yesterday. Why's that? Because they're another Russian falsehood?
What if ms.Skripal is now tortured by MI5 henchmen to force her make false claims or/and being kept in a dark dungeon with bugs and rats.
It's the UK not Russia.
After Baha Mousa case in fact everything is possible.
Brought to you by the country sponsoring the Katyn massacre, the Soviet Union, the indiscriminate bombing of civilians, Grozny, Betaclan. The irony is strong.
 
What's so barmy about all this is that the new Russia had every opportunity to become a full partner in the progress of the West. Putin, instead, deliberately chose a path of confrontation, for no reason whatever except his own paranoia, which is already a proven disaster for ordinary Russians and which because of the want of ordinary legal protection makes anyone from outside seeking to invest in Russia look like a complete fool.

Zimbabwe with nukes, nerve agents, and snow, here they come.
Really? It appears that British investors have another point of view. Russia is a very profitable and reliable borrower.
Russia Sells $4 Billion Of Eurobonds Despite Escalating Tensions
March 17, 2018
Russia has sold $4 billion in debt on the Eurobond market in London despite rapidly escalating tensions with Britain and the West.
The demand for profitable Russian bonds was almost 2 fold higher
Global investors showed a robust appetite for two Eurobond issues Russia offered on March 16, according to the bond managers, who said they received $7.5 billion in bids -- nearly twice the amount of bonds for sale.
And who are the main investors in Russian bonds?
British investors bought nearly half of the largest, $2.5 billion issue and U.S. investors bought 20 percent of it.
So Gavin the puppy could bark but meanwhile real businessmen follow the principle - it's business, nothing personal.
Kieran Curtis, a money manager at Aberdeen Standard Investments in London ... who helps oversee about $14 billion in investments, said he is recommending that clients buy Russian debt and said he was considering buying some of the new bonds himself.
Well you’d better not pi$$ off your new owners then
 
You're still pushing this agitprop line? Yet you want to be thought of as an independent Russian poster. Beggars belief. Where is the formal request? Where is the formal denial?

Where is the Russian Ambo with his team of Russian sycophants and agitprop film crews trying to get to your 'collateral damage' citizen at the hospital?

I'd be the same and giving the agitprop a stiff ignoring. Funnily enough, none of these claims were made in Moscow yesterday. Why's that? Because they're another Russian falsehood?

It's the UK not Russia.

Brought to you by the country sponsoring the Katyn massacre, the Soviet Union, the indiscriminate bombing of civilians, Grozny, Betaclan. The irony is strong.
Diplomatic correspondence frequently is classified and exact texts could not be available to general public.
For example, MSM reported about the ultimatum issued by mrs.May to Russian government to explain in 24 hours what has happened. Also MSM reported about the replay. But I'm unable to find exact texts of the request and replay. Maybe you are able? Or you don't believe British MSM, don't believe mrs.May and there was no any request, no demands?
Stop to play a kid, please. Don't use kindergarten style logic.
Diplomacy could be confidential and public. There are confidential and publicly available documents. There are confidential communications, requests, letters and public statements, public documents.
For example, exact transcript of negotiations between heads of states could or could not be publicly available. But it doesn't mean that negotiations with publicly unawailable transcripts did not take place.
Diplomats sometimes make public statements. In our case Russian ambassador to London publicly (and HMG is well aware about it) said that the consular access toms.Skripal was issied and there was not any reaction, there was no any replay for the request. He accuses HMG in violation of the Vienna convention about consular relations and makes it publicly.
It is public diplomacy with claims, statements, demands available to general public and reported by mass media.
Or maybe you unaware about public diplomacy?
 
You're still pushing this agitprop line? Yet you want to be thought of as an independent Russian poster. Beggars belief. Where is the formal request? Where is the formal denial?

Where is the Russian Ambo with his team of Russian sycophants and agitprop film crews trying to get to your 'collateral damage' citizen at the hospital?

I'd be the same and giving the agitprop a stiff ignoring. Funnily enough, none of these claims were made in Moscow yesterday. Why's that? Because they're another Russian falsehood?

It's the UK not Russia.

Brought to you by the country sponsoring the Katyn massacre, the Soviet Union, the indiscriminate bombing of civilians, Grozny, Betaclan. The irony is strong.
Diplomatic correspondence frequently is classified and exact texts could not be available to general public.
For example, MSM reported about the ultimatum issued by mrs.May to Russian government to explain in 24 hours what has happened. Also MSM reported about the replay. But I'm unable to find exact texts of the request and replay. Maybe you are able? Or you don't believe British MSM, don't believe mrs.May and there was no any request, no demands?
Stop to play a kid, please. Don't use kindergarten style logic.
Diplomacy could be confidential and public. There are confidential and publicly available documents. There are confidential communications, requests, letters and public statements, public documents.
For example, exact transcript of negotiations between heads of states could or could not be publicly available. But it doesn't mean that negotiations with publicly unawailable transcripts did not take place.
Diplomats sometimes make public statements. In our case Russian ambassador to London publicly (and HMG is well aware about it) said that the consular access toms.Skripal was issied and there was not any reaction, there was no any replay for the request. He accuses HMG in violation of the Vienna convention about consular relations and makes it publicly.
It is public diplomacy with claims, statements, demands available to general public and reported by mass media.
Or maybe you unaware about public diplomacy?
So what you’re saying is you really don’t know if they have requested a visit or not but you’re going to have a hissy fit about a possible rejection of an imaginary request which may or may not have been made with no actual evidence to back it up.
And then you Russians wonder why we regard you with contempt
 
Well you’d better not pi$$ off your new owners then
I would like to please @scalieback because he prefers Reuters as a news-source
S&P gives Russia pre-election boost with rating upgrade
S&P Global Ratings raised Russia’s foreign currency long-term and short-term sovereign credit ratings to investment grade of ‘BBB-/A-3’ from so-called junk level of ‘BB+/B’
The S&P upgrade is Russia’s second investment grade rating. Fitch also has an investment grade on Russia which it left unchanged late on Friday.

Market players expect demand for Russian state bonds to increase as major international funds require two investment grades as a minimum to invest in a country’s financial instruments.
Despite the sanctions imposed by the West with focus in financial sphere, no one Russian corporation defaulted and they continue to repay previous debts with %%.
Russian bond frequently are being used to refund borrowings made by private and state-run corporations. In fact it partially nullifies the effect from financial sanctions. Russian corporations voided acces to Western financial market but are able to borrow money from big state-owned banks as VTB.
Image of Russia as a reliable borrower is very important and it is expected that Russia's sovereign rating will rais further.
 
Some MSM confirm that Russia requested consular access to ms.Skripal. For example, the Washington Post
Russia to expel 23 British diplomats, close consulate in escalating row over poisoned ex-spy

But most of MSM especially British ones just don't mention the denial (by HMG) of consular access to ms.Skripal.
Meanwhile, Russian diplomats publicly continue to demand the consular access.
Russian Ambassador Suggests UK Using Salisbury Poisoning 'To Divert From Brexit'



Look, Russian ambassador directly accused HMG, that it doesn't follow the Vienna convention, doesn't respect international law, that it hides ms.Skripal.
These claims were made. And there is no any HMG reaction.
What if ms.Skripal is now tortured by MI5 henchmen to force her make false claims or/and being kept in a dark dungeon with bugs and rats.
After Baha Mousa case in fact everything is possible.
THIRD time of telling....
NHS Codes of Practice...
No access for anybody with out the express permission of the patient (Includes photography).
They are in a coma...
 
So what you’re saying is you really don’t know if they have requested a visit or not but you’re going to have a hissy fit about a possible rejection of an imaginary request which may or may not have been made with no actual evidence to back it up.
And then you Russians wonder why we regard you with contempt
OK.
I have sent a e-mail to mr.Glen, an MP from Salisbury
John Glen MP

The title: Consular access to ms.Skripal
Dear mr.Glen,
Russian ambassador to London mr.Yakovenko publicly claims

Russian Ambassador Suggests UK Using Salisbury Poisoning 'To Divert From Brexit'
Russia to expel 23 British diplomats, close consulate in escalating row over poisoned ex-spy

that "Britain doesn’t respect international law" because under the Vienna Convention, Russia should be granted consular access to its citizens that according to the ambassador is denied.
Are they baseless claims? Has FCO received a request for the consular access to ms.Skripal? How HMG has responded (if responded)?

I'm well aware that you are overloaded by your duties. However it would be very kind of you sir to give (maybe through your aides) respective answers.

Yours, sincerely Sergey Poleshchuk
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I invite ARRSErs to send similar letters to mr.Glen to clarify the issue.
 
OK.
I have sent a e-mail to mr.Glen, an MP from Salisbury
John Glen MP

Dear mr.Glen,
Russian ambassador to London mr.Yakovenko publicly claims

Russian Ambassador Suggests UK Using Salisbury Poisoning 'To Divert From Brexit'
Russia to expel 23 British diplomats, close consulate in escalating row over poisoned ex-spy

that "Britain doesn’t respect international law" because under the Vienna Convention, Russia should be granted consular access to its citizens that according to the ambassador is denied.
Are they baseless claims? Has FCO received a request for the consular access? How HMG has responded (if responded)?

I'm well aware that you are overloaded by your duties. However it would be very kind of you sir to give (maybe through your aides) respective answers.

Yours, sincerely Sergey Poleshchuk
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I invite ARRSErs to send similar letters to mr.Glen to clarify the issue.
You really are a bit dense, are you not?
 
You really are a bit dense, are you not?
I don't expect any answer. And who am I to be answered by mr.Glen.
By contrast most of you (I mean ARRSErs) are British citizens and 'people servants' in theory should serve the people.
So it would be very kind of you sir to ask mr.Glen (as he is MP from Salisbury) the same questions.

Your thick as brick Sergey.
 

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