News story: Novichok nerve agent use in Salisbury: UK government response

just all up and go, 100%. Every body out. This way he looses about 3 diplomacy plays and is denied others. Just close the embassy. It's the only language he knows.
 
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DaManBugs

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Thanks. I was under the mistaken impression you were inside a complex investigation involving a NA attack on UK soil which might destabilise the Western world and lead to a new cold war.

You have confirmed you are clueless.
Well, thank you, IroningDuke! I hope you managed to get the pleats right on your kilt and your trews.

And you're right, testa di cazzo! I'm just as clueless as you are. Considering that this is a subject of intense national interest, with normal folks around the country rightly wondering whether they're going to be the next innocent targets/victims of some aimless nerve-agent attack, you'd think that the gobment would do its utmost to reassure them. But what's happened to date? Fück all, that's what. No news, no notifications, no helpful information, no "this is how it's going". No nothing. Why is that?

MsG
 
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There's been a complete lack of any active police hunt for the perpetrators of the crime. In previous pressing cases on a similar, although domestic, level, the Old Bill have released loads of piccies of folks who could be involved (or of possible interest) and asked the UK public for co-operation. That appears to be missing in this case. Why is that?
If they have evidence the daughter brought the agent with her, why would they be looking for the perpetrators in the UK?
To date, there have been no interviews at all with those engaged in treating the patients. There's also been not one single press conference in which the condition of the alleged patients is mentioned. Absolutely nothing. Given that the so-called attack was in a public place and folks in the UK in general are understandably worried that the same might unexpectantly happen to them, I fail to understand the UK gobment when they suddenly claim "state security" and completely clam up.
Other than the statement by the Acting Chief Constable of Wiltshire Police you mean? I hear constantly on the news they're in a critical but stable condition. Lots on the DS but he may not be up to giving interviews or may not even want to be interviewed.
That's quite apart from the disgusting spectacle of Treesa Maybe waving flowers and fist-bumping, seemingly happy that she's managed to divert attention away from her quite catastrophic handling of the Brexit negotiations, when she should be applying pressure to the investigation.

MsG
Why apply pressure? It's a criminal investigation being run by 8 of the 11 CT units. Do you think she doesn't get daily briefings?
 
And you're right, testa di cazzo! I'm just as clueless as you are.

MsG
So how come a few posts ago you were telling us all about the lines of enquiry that were being ignored and how the government (note the spelling) were fitting up the Russians?
 

DaManBugs

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If they have evidence the daughter brought the agent with her, why would they be looking for the perpetrators in the UK?

Other than the statement by the Acting Chief Constable of Wiltshire Police you mean? I hear constantly on the news they're in a critical but stable condition. Lots on the DS but he may not be up to giving interviews or may not even want to be interviewed.

Why apply pressure? It's a criminal investigation being run by 8 of the 11 CT units. Do you think she doesn't get daily briefings?
Those were all "enjoinders" to points I made. Take a butcher's at your first knee-jerk response and see if you can't discover some discrepancy there.

The fact is you sift any and all responses to arrive at your pre-declared decision that: "it woz dem Russians wot did it". That's your position and you won't budge from it, regardless of how many facts are fielded to decisively prove the opposite.

Which means you're in very good company on an ARRSE website chokka with Cold War squaddies who were told daily that the 3rd Shock Army was going to annihalate them and were told, just as daily, that "Communism and the Soviet Union were some sort of infectious disease". Shame about the impartiality, eh?:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
 
Those were all "enjoinders" to points I made. Take a butcher's at your first knee-jerk response and see if you can't discover some discrepancy there.

The fact is you sift any and all responses to arrive at your pre-declared decision that: "it woz dem Russians wot did it". That's your position and you won't budge from it, regardless of how many facts are fielded to decisively prove the opposite.

Which means you're in very good company on an ARRSE website chokka with Cold War squaddies who were told daily that the 3rd Shock Army was going to annihalate them and were told, just as daily, that "Communism and the Soviet Union were some sort of infectious disease". Shame about the impartiality, eh?:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
Tell us all how you have come to the conclusion that the Russians didn't do it.
 

DaManBugs

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So how come a few posts ago you were telling us all about the lines of enquiry that were being ignored and how the government (note the spelling) were fitting up the Russians?
Start up your thread, Murphy's_Whore! "How I'm Superior to Bugsy", alternatively: "How Bugsy is Inferior to Me". Off you go!:mrgreen:

MsG
 
Those were all "enjoinders" to points I made. Take a butcher's at your first knee-jerk response and see if you can't discover some discrepancy there.
In answer to what you said:
There's been a complete lack of any active police hunt for the perpetrators of the crime. In previous pressing cases on a similar, although domestic, level, the Old Bill have released loads of piccies of folks who could be involved (or of possible interest) and asked the UK public for co-operation. That appears to be missing in this case. Why is that?
I asked why there would be an active Police hunt in the UK if they believed the agent came from abroad? How come that's 'knee jerk' or 'has a discrepancy?' Based on reports in the media of the house being the seat of infection and that is where all three may have become infected. I'm sure there are other lines of enquiry but if the agent came via his daughter, why would there be a 'manhunt'?

The fact is you sift any and all responses to arrive at your pre-declared decision that: "it woz dem Russians wot did it". That's your position and you won't budge from it, regardless of how many facts are fielded to decisively prove the opposite.
There's a tad 'pot and kettle' there. You believe its 'deep state/CIA etc?' Based on what?

Which means you're in very good company on an ARRSE website chokka with Cold War squaddies who were told daily that the 3rd Shock Army was going to annihalate them and were told, just as daily, that "Communism and the Soviet Union were some sort of infectious disease". Shame about the impartiality, eh?:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
A bit more 'pot and kettle' and haven't you said you were one of those ".. Cold War squaddies who were told daily that the 3rd Shock Army was going to annihalate them and were told, just as daily, that "Communism and the Soviet Union were some sort of infectious disease"?"

Frankly I'd like facts. I'd like the Police to do their job and present their evidence to the CPS. I'd like OPCW to make their judgement.
 

TheIronDuke

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You believe its 'deep state/CIA etc?' Based on what?
I feel we need to know more about his potty training as a child. That is the key. We are here to help and support him. As we support all sorts of weirdo nut-jobs here on ARRSE. Even the Welsh.
 
Swedish foreign minister rejects 'unacceptable and unfounded'...
Sweden (of all places) unhappy to be part of the Russian disinformation campaign as a number of countries that are the 'most likely source of the Novichok agent':
A Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman told the Rossiya 24 TV channel earlier on Saturday that the most likely source of the Novichok nerve agent was Britain itself or the Czech Republic, Slovakia, the United States or Sweden.

“Forcefully reject unacceptable and unfounded allegation by Russian MFA spokesperson that nerve agent used in Salisbury might originate in Sweden,” Wallstrom said in a tweet.

“Russia should answer UK questions instead.”
Czech foreign minister rejects Russia's nerve toxin origin claim
As are the Czechs:
“We object to these claims about the origin of (the toxin), which are not substantiated,” Stropnicky said on his official Twitter feed.

“This is a standard way of manipulating information in the public space through a highly speculative message being introduced which can not be proven.”

Czech Defence Minister Karla Slechtova, on her twitter feed, described the suggestion that the toxin could have come from the Czech Republic as “absurd”.
 
As usual on ARRSE, this thread is very educational, and there are experts on all subjects.
I've known for getting on for three decades the cold war is over, I know the Soviets couldn't keep participating to any real degree for several reasons. I've seen some aspects of the peace dividend too. I know that he Soviet Union is no more, and that Britian no longer faces the Warsaw Pact forces of the old cold war days.
Ive watched Russia transition in many ways from its old communist days and ways and also try to keep its place as a superpower as part of the CIS.

Ive watched Russian citizens gain free travel, go to new holiday destinations and spend their cash in new countries. Many choose to live in the UK and buy property here.

Imagine my surprise tonight to learn that despite all these things I'm still expecting the 3rd shock army from the Soviet Union!!!
Who knew? ;)

I'm sure that those more intelligent posters may have just noticed an odd phenomimum at work here too. IF the old and bold cold war warriors from Britain still have this mindset (obviously in real life they don't) then surely the old and bold cold war Russians (Putin for example) could have a totally biased and warlike mindset too :)
 

DaManBugs

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In answer to what you said:

I asked why there would be an active Police hunt in the UK if they believed the agent came from abroad? How come that's 'knee jerk' or 'has a discrepancy?' Based on reports in the media of the house being the seat of infection and that is where all three may have become infected. I'm sure there are other lines of enquiry but if the agent came via his daughter, why would there be a 'manhunt'?


There's a tad 'pot and kettle' there. You believe its 'deep state/CIA etc?' Based on what?


A bit more 'pot and kettle' and haven't you said you were one of those ".. Cold War squaddies who were told daily that the 3rd Shock Army was going to annihalate them and were told, just as daily, that "Communism and the Soviet Union were some sort of infectious disease"?"

Frankly I'd like facts. I'd like the Police to do their job and present their evidence to the CPS. I'd like OPCW to make their judgement.
The answer is: no-one knows anything! The main thrust of the investigation is to pin the attack on "the Russians". Or more exactly: "on Putin". It's all in line with the (US) campaign to demonise Russia and Putin whateve the cost.

You're absolutely correct! I was one of those Cold-War "warriors" (I was a CMT in the RAMC, remember?) in Gemany, who were daily reminded that the 3rd Shock Army was out to enslave us all. But I've been a committed Socialist all my life.

At one of the briefings at our barracks by some "ideology Rupert" from the Green Slime, I asked him after his speech just what we were expected to "defend". He came back in Churchillian tones about: "democratic freedom of speech, freedom of belief, the right to do what we want, the democratic right to freely gather, meet with sympathetic comrades and freely express our opinions, etc. When I made him aware that many (if not most) of those rights we were supposed to defend were actually not available to us as British Army squaddies, he began huffing and hawing and took a swift exit stage left. Not very convincing, in my opinion.

MsG
 
Start up your thread, Murphy's_Whore! "How I'm Superior to Bugsy", alternatively: "How Bugsy is Inferior to Me". Off you go!:mrgreen:

MsG
Reverting to form again. How predictable are you.

I sometimes wonder if your posts may contain something worth reading. I doubt I will ever know though as I stop reading them at the first childish misspelled name or word - Treesa Maybe or Gobment etc - on the premise that the rest of what you have to say will be equally as childish.
 
The answer is: no-one knows anything! The main thrust of the investigation is to pin the attack on "the Russians". Or more exactly: "on Putin". It's all in line with the (US) campaign to demonise Russia and Putin whateve the cost.

You're absolutely correct! I was one of those Cold-War "warriors" (I was a CMT in the RAMC, remember?) in Gemany, who were daily reminded that the 3rd Shock Army was out to enslave us all. But I've been a committed Socialist all my life.

At one of the briefings at our barracks by some "ideology Rupert" from the Green Slime, I asked him after his speech just what we were expected to "defend". He came back in Churchillian tones about: "democratic freedom of speech, freedom of belief, the right to do what we want, the democratic right to freely gather, meet with sympathetic comrades and freely express our opinions, etc. When I made him aware that many (if not most) of those rights we were supposed to defend were actually not available to us as British Army squaddies, he began huffing and hawing and took a swift exit stage left. Not very convincing, in my opinion.

MsG
Did you not also wonder just how stupid you may have made yourself look at the time?
If you had been a forced conscript you could have questioned a couple of the points, and the simple and obvious answers could have been easily explained to you. But, as a volunteer in a volunteer army to then complain about things you knew BEFORE you chose to volunteer to join an organisation with those conditions that wouldn't have marked you out as particularly astute!
 
To everyone here, and this is a bit of thread drift, sorry.

If you ever withessed an other rank challenging the word of an officer in front of other ranks did you immediately think 'look at that poor devil, he has no right to freedom of speech or to speak his mind'?

I can't say that would have been the first thought to have crossed my mind.
 
The answer is: no-one knows anything! The main thrust of the investigation is to pin the attack on "the Russians". Or more exactly: "on Putin". It's all in line with the (US) campaign to demonise Russia and Putin whateve the cost.
Of course. Meanwhile the investigation continues. If Trump wants 'better relations with Russia' who's doing it? The 'deep state'?

TYou're absolutely correct! I was one of those Cold-War "warriors" (I was a CMT in the RAMC, remember?) in Gemany, who were daily reminded that the 3rd Shock Army was out to enslave us all. But I've been a committed Socialist all my life.
I don't recall enslavement. Extermination, but not so much of the enslavement personally.

TAt one of the briefings at our barracks by some "ideology Rupert" from the Green Slime, I asked him after his speech just what we were expected to "defend". He came back in Churchillian tones about: "democratic freedom of speech, freedom of belief, the right to do what we want, the democratic right to freely gather, meet with sympathetic comrades and freely express our opinions, etc. When I made him aware that many (if not most) of those rights we were supposed to defend were actually not available to us as British Army squaddies, he began huffing and hawing and took a swift exit stage left. Not very convincing, in my opinion.

MsG
I'm sure that really happened..................
 

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