News story: Novichok nerve agent use in Salisbury: UK government response

It's called sniffing out stories that are obviously BS and fabricated to sway public opinion against l'enemi du jour.

It's only a matter of time before the whole Skripal-myth is exposed.
Similar to how the BBC's Syria producer just stated this about Douma (also anti-Russian linked propaganda)

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My bet is it'll happen well before ukgov show anyone their 'evidence and proof 'against the state they blamed as soon as the event happened.

Even though no investigation had even started and no evidence or proof had been shared.

All together now...."Baaaa Baaaaa Baaaaaa".
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Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
Anyway, considering you are well into nuclear exchange videos and hard man Russia stronk type stuff, any videos on three headed kids and very very special children born after Chernobyl?
He-he-he. Read somerhing of scientific stadies about mutation rate in the Zone. Actually, Chernobyl is better for animals, than the UK.

The radioactive isotopes of Iodine are particularly nice for someone into war porn, I would imagine.
Man, radioactive isotopes of Iodine will not be a big problem for the British population because of two main reasons:
1) Britain is an isle state, and have enouth of sea food, so there is no problem with Iodine-deficiency. And when human body have enouth of Iodine, it dont get additional one from the water and food.
2) The very fact of the nuclear war means collapse of the British economy, international trade and the start of starvation. Raising of the oncology will be nothing comparing with deaths from hunger. Without Russian, American or European occupation British population will be decreased in tens or hundreeds times.
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
Anyway, considering you are well into nuclear exchange videos and hard man Russia stronk type stuff, any videos on three headed kids and very very special children born after Chernobyl?
He-he-he. Read somerhing of scientific stadies about mutation rate in the Zone. Actually, Chernobyl is better for animals, than the UK.

The radioactive isotopes of Iodine are particularly nice for someone into war porn, I would imagine.
Man, radioactive isotopes of Iodine will not be a big problem for the British population because of two main reasons:
1) Britain is an isle state, and have enouth of sea food, so there is no problem with Iodine-deficiency. And when human body have enouth of Iodine, it dont get additional one from the water and food.
2) The very fact of the nuclear war means collapse of the British economy, international trade and the start of starvation. Raising of the oncology will be nothing comparing with deaths from hunger. Without Russian, American or European occupation British population will be decreased in tens or hundreeds times.
 
He-he-he. Read somerhing of scientific stadies about mutation rate in the Zone. Actually, Chernobyl is better for animals, than the UK.
Perhaps you should read up on the subject
Chernobyl is not ‘better’ for animals. They are undisturbed due to the abandonment of chernobyl
Nature has taken over
 
It's called sniffing out stories that are obviously BS and fabricated to sway public opinion against l'enemi du jour.

It's only a matter of time before the whole Skripal-myth is exposed.
Similar to how the BBC's Syria producer just stated this about Douma (also anti-Russian linked propaganda)

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My bet is it'll happen well before ukgov show anyone their 'evidence and proof 'against the state they blamed as soon as the event happened.

Even though no investigation had even started and no evidence or proof had been shared.

All together now...."Baaaa Baaaaa Baaaaaa".
You really do need to re-calibrate your bullshit meter. It’s giving you false readings.

Either that, or you’re gullible, or as a conspiraloon you believe bullshit and ct websites, or believe what the Russian embassy puts out. Of course, it could be a combination of all those.

Russian Embassy Misleads on BBC Producer’s Claim About Douma Hospital Video
 
No. I said, that Russia have 13% of population as "poor" (by Russian standarts), and the UK have 20% (by British standarts). And Russian standarts of the life quality are significally higher.
Maybe the Russian standard for categorising who is poor is very low.

A dirt poor farmer with two chickens is richer than another with just one.
 
Do you have an actual number of murdered British journalists? If "no" - they have been murdered in the uncountable numbers.
Yet above you say this:
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"Russell's teapot is an analogy, formulated by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making unfalsifiable claims, rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others."
You’re a a complete idiot. You made the claim, so back it up
 
Is @184461 being a silly arrse again?
I can’t help but feeling that some of his recent posts show him to be a thoughoughly disgusting and vile human being.

With his access to the internet and (stated) military training he will 100% know that water is used to decontaminate NA.
But due to his agenda of deliberately posting lies and falsehoods combined with his very childish way of posting he initially tried to dispute Charlie’s use of water by saying it wasn’t a ‘copious’ amount of water even though he has no idea at all how much water Charlie used.

He is now saying that water on its own won’t work, and has continued to say this AFTER videos showing just water being used to decontaminate have been posted on this site. His own (stated) military training would have also involved him being taught that water on its own is used for decontamination.

There are occasionally people who read ARRSE to learn about subjects such as the Salisbury attack, the vile piece of feaces that is @184461 is trying to suggest they might need to add ACID to water as part of a first aid treatment for NA attack!

What a complete piece of crap he is.
 
He-he-he. Read somerhing of scientific stadies about mutation rate in the Zone. Actually, Chernobyl is better for animals, than the UK.
And there's me thinking that the burden of long half life radio isotopes in the soil means a low life expectancy for many animal species , the populations levelled up by inward migration..

The point being that with a human population, life expectancy would be vastly reduced and I would suspect that cancer rate would be increased depending on what type of food was eaten.

Mutation is not just mutation per se, it is mutation of mitotic genes leading to uncontrolled cell proliferation, i.e. cancer.

Your population would suffer such effects..
I agree with what you say about the British population by the way although I don't play with my lad when I am saying it.

For iodine, I was referring to bioaccumulation in the thyroid gland which would knock it out. This would lead to some weird foetuses and a lot of kids with problems. Deficiency would not be an issue.
 

Grey Fox

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And there's me thinking that the burden of long half life radio isotopes in the soil means a low life expectancy for many animal species , the populations levelled up by inward migration..
No. There is a higher life expectancy in the Zone. Look at catfishes in the cooling pond of Chernobyls nuclear plant.
The point being that with a human population, life expectancy would be vastly reduced and I would suspect that cancer rate would be increased depending on what type of food was eaten.
Oh, no. Actually, the life expectancy will be vastly reduced, not because of cancer, but because of Russian, American, German, French bombs and shells, ethnic abd ideological bandgroups, ethnic cleanings and so on... When the war will be finished, and regime of occupation established, occupants (Russian or American) will bring food, fuel, medicine (including Iodin) and what is most important - the law and order.

Mutation is not just mutation per se, it is mutation of mitotic genes leading to uncontrolled cell proliferation, i.e. cancer.
Mutations, leading to uncontrolle cell prolifiration, are usual things for a human body. It is not problem per se, but only with supressed immune system, that normally eliminates those 'bad cells'. Thats why there was no significan raise of cancer between liquidators of Chernobyls pollution. There was a first wave (acute radiation sickness), there was a second wave (endocrine sicknesses), but there was almost no a predicted third wave (cancer), first of all because of good dictors work and control of immune status.
What is one of main reasons of death of AIDS-infected people when you stop infections? Yes - sarcoma Kaposhi. Mutations, leading to it are common, but our immune system fight it.

Your population would suffer such effects..
I agree with what you say about the British population by the way although I don't play with my lad when I am saying it.
Look at Ukraine and Belorussia, suffering from Chernobyl pollution. Yes, raise of children oncology from (afaik) 7:100000 to 15:100000 is a problem, but it is not first, tenth or even hundredth in the list of their problems.
For iodine, I was referring to bioaccumulation in the thyroid gland which would knock it out. This would lead to some weird foetuses and a lot of kids with problems. Deficiency would not be an issue.
If you have enough of fish and algae in your diet (and Brits usually have more than enough) your body will not get Iodine from water or apples.
 
No. There is a higher life expectancy in the Zone. Look at catfishes in the cooling pond of Chernobyls nuclear plant.
I do not wish to divert this thread. This would be an excellent new thread in the science forum if you wanted to open it. It would also go away from the constant belligerence of late. For the minute, though:

I would however be interested in a species breakdown of increased life expectancy as you state for all species in the exclusion zone including passerines.

Mutations, leading to uncontrolle cell prolifiration, are usual things for a human body.
Yes. Agreed.

There was a first wave (acute radiation sickness), there was a second wave (endocrine sicknesses), but there was almost no a predicted third wave (cancer), first of all because of good dictors work and control of immune status.
You have addressed my statement well in terms of first and second wave effects that would arise in your nation too. Third wave cancer are a long term statistical effect and I would contend there has not been enough time for this yet. In addition, nuclear exchange would disperse fallout across a wide area and cleaning operations would be long term. Radio isotopes would enter the food chain and show bioaccumulation. It would show at the genetic level. Show me a paper that shows or rather claims otherwise, please.

There also comes a time when T cell suppression of cancerous cells does not work.

What is one of main reasons of death of AIDS-infected people when you stop infections? Yes - sarcoma Kaposhi. Mutations, leading to it are common, but our immune system fight it.
Kaposi's sarcoma would likely be pipped to the post by Candida albicans. I am open to seeing a paper that claims / proves that it is this condition.

If you have enough of fish and algae in your diet (and Brits usually have more than enough) your body will not get Iodine from water or apples.
You make a relevant point but fallout is fallout. It would enter the body, probably as a gamma emitter. on bits of dust and so on on the bodies of fish, in the air and on tin cans. Most people would not have wash down facilities in such a cataclysm.

Basically, Grey fox, I am indicating that your nation too would be roundly farked in a nuclear exchange. That is the point I was trying to make. When I say your country, I mean your people as it is people I have a care for and not nations on both sides waving their choppers about.

I won't divert the thread further here as it is unfair but would discuss this further on a relevant thread.
 
For info.
On 29th Sept 2018 user @184461 posted this.
I realise not everyone will know why I have quoted this post, but some will.

@184461 said:

29 Sep 2018
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Cable_Ties said:
Details? You mean like how a little known cathedral has a spire 123 ft high or that it has the worlds oldest operating clock?

Those details that I guarantee you less than what? Conservatively? Less than 500K brits knew?
Yes...Details.

Little details like the Waterloo train didn't get in to Salisbury till 11h48 and the last known time the Skripals were at their house was 09h00.

There has been no evidence (CCTV/ANPR etc) purporting to prove the Skripals ever returned home again, they were pinged 3 times heading out but not coming back... so...
How could they have been poisoned by the Russians in that very small time-window as they would need to have gone back home at some point that Sunday in order for the highly-pure NA to take effect?

Would Ernie/Bert have walked up a cul-de-sac in broad daylight and fiddle around with Sergei's front-door and no-one saw a thing?
But didn't Sergei have his own surveillance system- like most of the UK?
According to his cousin he did, so where's that footage?
All they've given out are a few doctored still-phots and no actual evidence/proof/facts.

Alas, this is all we have as a time-line.




How can CPS think they have a case even when the evidence is not compelling at all?

That's right...They're just doing what they're 'asked'.

Bizarre they haven't released any CCTV to the public.

Obviously they don't want any more eyes on this than they can get away with.
Definitely the Russians, am I right?

Who else could have done it?

We won't know as ukgov are keeping the ball all to themselves.


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What actual evidence, proof and facts are you working off here?
I'm sure you not only have no need to know the facts, but that you feel there 'is a reason' you shouldn't be told the facts, it was YOU after all that went to the trouble to type out that there is a circle of knowledge/need to know and there is a reason for that.

As you yourself pointed out you don't need to know are you making fun of yourself by deliberately contradicting what you have said?
 
Hmmmmmm.
Can you spot the difference between your video and this video?

Hmmm, as you asked, yes I can spot the difference between two entirely different videos, but what's your point. Water IS used to decontaminate NA and using your videos as examples a typical household tap like in your second video has a flow rate of 12 litres per minute so would dilute NA far more quickly than the pressure washer type lances in the first video that have a much slower flow rate. Funnily enough as I'm a plumber I tend to know these facts off by heart with no need to check any other sources*

So, as those with military experience know that water IS used to decontaminate NA and you claim to have military experience you would know that too.

As you have also asked about spotting differences I can also tell the difference between:

A D notice and a DSMA notice.
And
English law and court procedures that prevent case info being released and the lies you tell saying the opposite.

*As a plumber living close to Salisbury how exactly did YOU think I might be RTU'd hahahahahahahahahaha.
 

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