News story: Novichok nerve agent use in Salisbury: UK government response

184461

*Russian Troll*
I asked you this a day or so ago when you were pontificating the issue in reply to a grey fox post. You failed to answer twice.
And then I answered.
What's the problem?
I am on my own here and replying to many different pro-uk fairy-tale believers so give me time.

I pointed out the flaw about your use of the magic Sulphuric Acid
Address your reply to Professor Uglev as it's his name in the article.

I notice that prolonged eye-flushing, washing of clothing and immediate vacating of an enclosed space awaiting decontamination (Amesbury) wasn't mentioned.

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Witnesses also said about eight fire engines along with police and ambulance vehicles as well as specialist incident response vehicles were also at the scene.
A police spokesman said: "At the moment it is not a police incident it is being led by the fire and the ambulance. It appears that there are three people who have taken drugs and had a medical incident. They have all been taken to hospital."

Person taken to hospital after incident in Amesbury

So everyone and his dog turned up to a potential NA event, found NO trace of NA and pulled the plug?
When did the cas. list go from 2 to 3?
Anyone heard that before?
Who's Sam Hobson?

No explanations has ever been given for the myriad of misleading and contradicting claims the British government made about the Skripal case.
We rx'd a public rerun of the whole affair with a case which seriousness was obvious early on but which was censored for four days without giving any reason.

What happened during these four days?
Who briefed-up the infamous Sam Hobson, the "friend of the couple", who now speaks of "nerve agents and enzymes"?


I doubt that the currently presented version of the Amesbury incident is more valid than the fairy-tales we were told about the Skripal case.
Especially now the house is back on the rental-list.



So how did this all then become NA 4 days later?
How did all the specialist personnel with their testing kits miss the mass of NA where CR 'spilt it'.
Nerve agents are more harmful if released in enclosed areas compared to outdoors.
That's what every authority on NA says in all their literature.


What happened to the third cas?
Is this yet another case of adapting the narrative to more easier keep all your ducks in a row?

“‘It appears that there are three people who have taken drugs and had a medical incident. They have all been taken to hospital’.”



On with OPCW's own guidelines-

From OPCW's Medical Guide for Practical Management of Chemical Warfare Casualties:

4.6. Decontamination
Decontamination should be performed as soon as possible.
For immediate spot decontamination, RSDL (reactive skin decontamination lotion) or o t h e r decontaminants should be used.
In any case, before admission to a hospital, clothes should be removed and discarded, and exposed skin should be decontaminated to avoid cross-contamination of medical personal.
If decontamination solutions or lotions are not available, copious amounts of water and soap should be used.
Eyes should be flushed with physiological saline or, if not available, with tap water.

https://www.opcw.org/sites/default/...ment_of_Chemical_Warfare_Casualties_-_web.pdf


Decontamination should be performed as soon as possible.
NA wasn't diagnosed for the Skripals for >36hrs.
NA wasn't diagnosed for DSB as he didn't even present himself till >48hrs later.
NA wasn't diagnosed for CR/DS for >96hrs.

How would decontamination have been performed as soon as possible in this case?
Why were there zero secondary casualties from the 1st responders to the med-staff to the coppers at the scene to the coppers at Zizzi's?

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Plod at the scene right after the event. Note the lack of cross-contamination precautions being used.

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Zizzis on the evening of 04/03/18. No ressies, suits or gloves.

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CR being casevac'd note the bare skin and lack of protection.
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Sajid Javad and many, many local personalities at the scene a week before plod found the bottle in the house
ie .just next to him.
Here he is 'not jumping to conclusions.'


Stroke of luck Swindon RDS said all was safe and they weren't needed.


In any case, before admission to a hospital, clothes should be removed and discarded, and exposed skin should be decontaminated to avoid cross-contamination of medical personal.
NA not diagnosed for days+ in some cases yet no cross-contamination?
5-8X the toxicity of VX?
Is this seriously what we're told to believe?

If decontamination solutions or lotions are not available, copious amounts of water and soap should be used.
Eyes should be flushed with physiological saline or, if not available, with tap water.

Did CR just forget to mention the copius amounts of soap and water?
What about the eye-flushing?
Not even a mention.
How was he well enough to get contaminated with VX x5-8 then go out for methadone, barbie and cans before then returning to his NA-ridden pad and NA treatment wasn't id'd as being needed for 4 days.


This latter might give me some insight into why you back everything coming from Russia without any question and not one iota of information provided by UK authorities.
What have the Russians said?

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They say it as it is, very much unlike the UK system that cached their opinions behind an anti-Ru gov/int/media JV troll farm.
Propaganda paid for by the taxpayer, to be used against the taxpayer.
I wonder why the gov forgot to mention that fact.

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Note the name Dan Kaszeta.

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A punching or even murder of a British journalist is often and usual practice, that should not be written as something special. Do the UK have special organisation that gather info about attacks against journalists? No. So, it is just a problem of the low-quality British statistic, nothing more.
Source? Or more @YarS lies?
 
And then I answered.
What's the problem?
I am on my own here and replying to many different pro-uk fairy-tale believers so give me time.


Address your reply to Professor Uglev as it's his name in the article.

I notice that prolonged eye-flushing, washing of clothing and immediate vacating of an enclosed space awaiting decontamination (Amesbury) wasn't mentioned.

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Witnesses also said about eight fire engines along with police and ambulance vehicles as well as specialist incident response vehicles were also at the scene.
A police spokesman said: "At the moment it is not a police incident it is being led by the fire and the ambulance. It appears that there are three people who have taken drugs and had a medical incident. They have all been taken to hospital."

Person taken to hospital after incident in Amesbury

So everyone and his dog turned up to a potential NA event, found NO trace of NA and pulled the plug?
When did the cas. list go from 2 to 3?
Anyone heard that before?
Who's Sam Hobson?

No explanations has ever been given for the myriad of misleading and contradicting claims the British government made about the Skripal case.
We rx'd a public rerun of the whole affair with a case which seriousness was obvious early on but which was censored for four days without giving any reason.

What happened during these four days?
Who briefed-up the infamous Sam Hobson, the "friend of the couple", who now speaks of "nerve agents and enzymes"?


I doubt that the currently presented version of the Amesbury incident is more valid than the fairy-tales we were told about the Skripal case.
Especially now the house is back on the rental-list.



So how did this all then become NA 4 days later?
How did all the specialist personnel with their testing kits miss the mass of NA where CR 'spilt it'.
Nerve agents are more harmful if released in enclosed areas compared to outdoors.
That's what every authority on NA says in all their literature.


What happened to the third cas?
Is this yet another case of adapting the narrative to more easier keep all your ducks in a row?

“‘It appears that there are three people who have taken drugs and had a medical incident. They have all been taken to hospital’.”



On with OPCW's own guidelines-

From OPCW's Medical Guide for Practical Management of Chemical Warfare Casualties:

4.6. Decontamination
Decontamination should be performed as soon as possible.
For immediate spot decontamination, RSDL (reactive skin decontamination lotion) or o t h e r decontaminants should be used.
In any case, before admission to a hospital, clothes should be removed and discarded, and exposed skin should be decontaminated to avoid cross-contamination of medical personal.
If decontamination solutions or lotions are not available, copious amounts of water and soap should be used.
Eyes should be flushed with physiological saline or, if not available, with tap water.

https://www.opcw.org/sites/default/...ment_of_Chemical_Warfare_Casualties_-_web.pdf


Decontamination should be performed as soon as possible.
NA wasn't diagnosed for the Skripals for >36hrs.
NA wasn't diagnosed for DSB as he didn't even present himself till >48hrs later.
NA wasn't diagnosed for CR/DS for >96hrs.

How would decontamination have been performed as soon as possible in this case?
Why were there zero secondary casualties from the 1st responders to the med-staff to the coppers at the scene to the coppers at Zizzi's?

View attachment 378721
Plod at the scene right after the event. Note the lack of cross-contamination precautions being used.

View attachment 378719
Zizzis on the evening of 04/03/18. No ressies, suits or gloves.

View attachment 378722
CR being casevac'd note the bare skin and lack of protection.
View attachment 378731

Sajid Javad and many, many local personalities at the scene a week before plod found the bottle in the house
ie .just next to him.
Here he is 'not jumping to conclusions.'


Stroke of luck Swindon RDS said all was safe and they weren't needed.


In any case, before admission to a hospital, clothes should be removed and discarded, and exposed skin should be decontaminated to avoid cross-contamination of medical personal.
NA not diagnosed for days+ in some cases yet no cross-contamination?
5-8X the toxicity of VX?
Is this seriously what we're told to believe?

If decontamination solutions or lotions are not available, copious amounts of water and soap should be used.
Eyes should be flushed with physiological saline or, if not available, with tap water.

Did CR just forget to mention the copius amounts of soap and water?
What about the eye-flushing?
Not even a mention.
How was he well enough to get contaminated with VX x5-8 then go out for methadone, barbie and cans before then returning to his NA-ridden pad and NA treatment wasn't id'd as being needed for 4 days.



What have the Russians said?

View attachment 378725

They say it as it is, very much unlike the UK system that cached their opinions behind an anti-Ru gov/int/media JV troll farm.
Propaganda paid for by the taxpayer, to be used against the taxpayer.
I wonder why the gov forgot to mention that fact.

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Note the name Dan Kaszeta.

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All of which has been explained by numerous posters on numerous threads. The fact that you ‘reset’ yourself daily speaks volumes.

Now, more pertinently, where are the ‘slush averse goons’? Do you that like Igor who replaced Igor and was succeeded by Igor, they are dead? It seems ‘highly likely’ as there’s been nothing heard from them since.

Why do you think they could have been killed? For being failures? For failing in their job? Along with Igor?
 

184461

*Russian Troll*
All of which has been explained by numerous posters on numerous threads. The fact that you ‘reset’ yourself daily speaks volumes.
As noted before just because arrse talks about something does not actually mean that it has been checked/verified and confirmed by actual authoritative sources.
A bunch of monkeys who aren't even in the slightest bit suspicious as to ukgov's meandering, anomaly-ridden fairy tale is hardly impartial so needs to be ignored and kicked to the sideline.
 
Quoting yourself? It’s bad form to say the least and all explained previously, just your failure to accept it left outstanding.

Notably, you won’t comment on what has happened to the ‘slush averse goons’? Why is that? Is it a part of the narrative that points to Russia but interferes with your ‘anybody but Russia’ mantra?
 

184461

*Russian Troll*
...... and therefore, why ask arrse for answers?
Would it be as arrse has all the answers and the amount of subject-knowledge is massive?

No.

Would it be because I can further educate you all and highlight the many inconsistencies/anomalies and contradictions in ukgov's case.

You can lead a horse to water etc.
Kicking and screaming, eh?

YAROSLAVL, February 19. /TASS/. The mother of former Russian military intelligence officer Sergei Skripal, who vanished from the public eye following the Salisbury incident, has requested the Russian police to declare him and his daughter Yulia missing, Sergei Skripal’s niece Viktoria told TASS on Tuesday.

More:
Mother requests missing person status for ex-spy Skripal — niece
 
Would it be as arrse has all the answers and the amount of subject-knowledge is massive?

No.

Would it be because I can further educate you all and highlight the many inconsistencies/anomalies and contradictions in ukgov's case.

You can lead a horse to water etc.
Kicking and screaming, eh?

YAROSLAVL, February 19. /TASS/. The mother of former Russian military intelligence officer Sergei Skripal, who vanished from the public eye following the Salisbury incident, has requested the Russian police to declare him and his daughter Yulia missing, Sergei Skripal’s niece Viktoria told TASS on Tuesday.

More:
Mother requests missing person status for ex-spy Skripal — niece
We know there are inconsistencies in the public information, particularly versions of media reports at different times and with different opinions


Previously you were ‘leading’ in keeping it in the public eye because it was all forgotten about, despite the attention

Now you’re educating
 
Would it be as arrse has all the answers and the amount of subject-knowledge is massive?

No.

Would it be because I can further educate you all and highlight the many inconsistencies/anomalies and contradictions in ukgov's case.

You can lead a horse to water etc.
Kicking and screaming, eh?
Your ‘water’ appears to be ‘Kool Aid’
YAROSLAVL, February 19. /TASS/. The mother of former Russian military intelligence officer Sergei Skripal, who vanished from the public eye following the Salisbury incident, has requested the Russian police to declare him and his daughter Yulia missing, Sergei Skripal’s niece Viktoria told TASS on Tuesday.

More:
Mother requests missing person status for ex-spy Skripal — niece
Viktoria is missing the limelight and says the request is from Sergei’s 90 year old mum?
 
@Grey Fox extols the superiority and intelligence of Russians and how great and superior the country is to the rest of the world.

Except for Russian numpties who can't see the problem of climbing on gas pipes and stepping on AC units to get to a ladder, which then collapses due to poor design and that it can't hold the combined weight of the two Russkies trying to climb it. Doh:

Ladder falls off wall as workers climb

Luckily they weren't seriously injured, as far as I can tell.
 
Would it be as arrse has all the answers and the amount of subject-knowledge is massive?

No.

Would it be because I can further educate you all and highlight the many inconsistencies/anomalies and contradictions in ukgov's case.

You can lead a horse to water etc.
Kicking and screaming, eh?

YAROSLAVL, February 19. /TASS/. The mother of former Russian military intelligence officer Sergei Skripal, who vanished from the public eye following the Salisbury incident, has requested the Russian police to declare him and his daughter Yulia missing, Sergei Skripal’s niece Viktoria told TASS on Tuesday.

More:
Mother requests missing person status for ex-spy Skripal — niece
Tadaaaaaaah. You've non-answered again.

We've established that you think it was the UK gov't that poisoned the Skripals and manufactured this affair.

You allege this and claim that the UK gov't has not proved its case since it hasn't shown any evidence, because you also allege that there isn't any.

It's been explained to you why the UK gov't and its agencies can't show the evidence.

You've been requested time and again to show your evidence to substantiate your own allegations.

But you consistently fail to do so.

The UK gov't can't show the evidence they have because of the legal and procedural restrictions.

You don't have these same restrictions and yet you do not do exactly the same thing that you insist the UK gov't should be doing. You hypocrite.

If you have this evidence, show it.

Your claimed mission of pointing out supposed inconsistencies and trying to convince us it's all a UK gov't plot is just guff.

If you're doing this as a hobby then you're wasting your time, and if you're being paid for it, I think your annual assessment will be dire as you're failing miserably.
 
And then I answered.
What's the problem?
The problem is you said I was deflecting. I wasn't.

The question had been asked a day or so ago. You must be trying to brain wash a lot of people with your agitprop.

You manipulated your reply to make it look as I was avoiding an issue. That is so you.

As usual with the rest of the post, you look back with 20/20 hindsight and fail to see how an ongoing situation is managed or mismanaged. This is because:

Either: 1]You have never been in a situation like that
2] You are pushing your agitprop agenda.
3] Both. I prefer this option.


You are not a British citizen or a taxpayer here. Why the interest in our tax payments. Does your aversion to paying non existent tax in the uk make you accept everything the Ru gov. says.

Fifteen year infantryman my arse.
 
Would it be because I can further educate you all and highlight the many inconsistencies/anomalies and contradictions in ukgov's case.

That made me chuckle.

You told me to refer to Prof. Uglev in regards of his decontamination procedure having used it as an argument to refute the decontamination with water idea.

When challenged, you were unable to address it so make that flippant comment.

How can you educate anybody about anything when you will not learn the basic facts.

Try and avoid the use of the word educate. You confuse it with disinformation and agitprop.
 
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184461

*Russian Troll*
The problem is you said I was deflecting. I wasn't.

The question had been asked a day or so ago. You must be trying to brain wash a lot of people with your agitprop.

You manipulated your reply to make it look as I was avoiding an issue. That is so you.

As usual with the rest of the post, you look back with 20/20 hindsight and fail to see how an ongoing situation is managed or mismanaged. This is because:

Either: 1]You have never been in a situation like that
2] You are pushing your agitprop agenda.
3] Both. I prefer this option.


You are not a British citizen or a taxpayer here. Why the interest in our tax payments. Does your aversion to paying non existent tax in the uk make you accept everything the Ru gov. says.

Fifteen year infantryman my arse.
15?
 

184461

*Russian Troll*
We've established that you think it was the UK gov't that poisoned the Skripals and manufactured this affair.
Who was poisoned?
The evidence says nobody was poisoned.

It's been explained to you why the UK gov't and its agencies can't show the evidence.
most convenient considering the uk system is already planning for no trial to take place AKA no evidence to ever be shown to civpop.

You've been requested time and again to show your evidence to substantiate your own allegations.
That all is not as displayed?
Nobody died and everybody recovered after pretty short periods of time....how's that?

The UK gov't can't show the evidence they have because of the legal and procedural restrictions.
Yeah, I've just answered that.

Officials have conceded that the “brutal truth” is that if the suspects do not enter an allied country and get caught, the UK will be powerless to bring them to trial.

If you have this evidence, show it.
2 X D Notices protect the evidence from minions like us.
Haven't you twigged yet?

Your claimed mission of pointing out supposed inconsistencies and trying to convince us it's all a UK gov't plot is just guff.
Because there aren't any inconsistencies in the official story from gov/media?
Liquid, gel, gel, liquid?
Various flash-to-bang contamination times.
Various recovery times.
No cross-contamination of first responders/ plod/ med staff etc etc etc.

If you're doing this as a hobby then you're wasting your time, and if you're being paid for it, I think your annual assessment will be dire as you're failing miserably.
Thanks for the tip.
i will try harder next time. ;)
 

184461

*Russian Troll*
@184461

As you keep being told, Dawn Sturgess died.

So, how long were you an infantryman and to what rank did you rise? Did you ever use a Wombat?
Yes she did die.

The unfortunate circumstances were spun after 4 days to say it was a Nerve agent.
Even the emergency services that were crashed-out with all their testing kit said there was nothing to worry about.
How did they get it so completely wrong?

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4 days before anyone was apparently treated for the most deadly NA on the planet?
Grip.

Get one.
 
Who was poisoned?
The evidence says nobody was poisoned.


most convenient considering the uk system is already planning for no trial to take place AKA no evidence to ever be shown to civpop.


That all is not as displayed?
Nobody died and everybody recovered after pretty short periods of time....how's that?


Yeah, I've just answered that.

Officials have conceded that the “brutal truth” is that if the suspects do not enter an allied country and get caught, the UK will be powerless to bring them to trial.


2 X D Notices protect the evidence from minions like us.
Haven't you twigged yet?


Because there aren't any inconsistencies in the official story from gov/media?
Liquid, gel, gel, liquid?
Various flash-to-bang contamination times.
Various recovery times.
No cross-contamination of first responders/ plod/ med staff etc etc etc.


Thanks for the tip.
i will try harder next time. ;)
Again, no evidence of your allegation. No surprises there.

If you are claiming what you are alleging, you need to substantiate it with proof such as gov't planning meetings, minutes, emails, copies of reports, etc., Something concrete and incontrovertible. But you can't and you won't be able to because there isn't any.

All you're doing is the usual conspiraloon sh!te of pointing out the usual inconsistencies you get in news stories and opinion pieces, waving the mention of 'D' notices as some form of talismanic evidence which you put great store in as a great barrier to showing proof as well as other nonsense and coming up with the usual conspiraloon crap theory.

You're not the sleuthy truth seeker you think you are.

But if you want to waste your own time, carry on. No-one is taking you seriously, except maybe other conspiraloons.

By the way, are you also a flat earther? It wouldn't surprise me.
 

184461

*Russian Troll*
Again, no evidence of your allegation. No surprises there.

If you are claiming what you are alleging, you need to substantiate it with proof such as gov't planning meetings, minutes, emails, copies of reports, etc., Something concrete and incontrovertible. But you can't and you won't be able to because there isn't any.

All you're doing is the usual conspiraloon sh!te of pointing out the usual inconsistencies you get in news stories and opinion pieces, waving the mention of 'D' notices as some form of talismanic evidence which you put great store in as a great barrier to showing proof as well as other nonsense and coming up with the usual conspiraloon crap theory.

You're not the sleuthy truth seeker you think you are.

But if you want to waste your own time, carry on. No-one is taking you seriously, except maybe other conspiraloons.

By the way, are you also a flat earther? It wouldn't surprise me.
D Notice x 2.
Ring any bells?
 
Yes she did die.

The unfortunate circumstances were spun after 4 days to say it was a Nerve agent.
Even the emergency services that were crashed-out with all their testing kit said there was nothing to worry about.
How did they get it so completely wrong?

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4 days before anyone was apparently treated for the most deadly NA on the planet?
Grip.

Get one.
No evidence for your allegation again.

And again, no surprises.
 

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