News story: Novichok nerve agent use in Salisbury: UK government response

ONE of the chemists Comrade.
Think about that.
But you seem to have poorly developed critical faculties ( a common trait in Russians).
Depending on who you listen to he's either the Novachok inventor or a chemist/ scientist.
Much of the same though as we're all used to the press being crap at accurate reporting.
Only Russia could be behind spy poisoning, says Novichok inventor
Spy poisoning: Novichok inventor says hundreds could be at risk for years
Inventor of Novichok poison says it could affect hundreds of people
The scientist who leaked Russia's Novichok 'conspiracy'
 
ONE of the chemists Comrade.
Think about that.
But you seem to have poorly developed critical faculties ( a common trait in Russians).
Depending on who you listen to he's either the Novachok inventor or a chemist/ scientist.
Much of the same though as we're all used to the press being crap at accurate reporting.
Only Russia could be behind spy poisoning, says Novichok inventor
Spy poisoning: Novichok inventor says hundreds could be at risk for years
Inventor of Novichok poison says it could affect hundreds of people
The scientist who leaked Russia's Novichok 'conspiracy'
Do you seriously think only one guy in the USSR’s war machine was involved? Were you Russians really so starved of resources?
 
Russian was given the opportunity to respond? That's not the way I read it. Treesa Maybe was instructed by the Septics to demand a response to what the Russians regarded as a baseless accusation within 24 hours. Which self-respecting country would've done that under those circumstances? Certainly not the UK, France et al. However, the Russians voiced their intense interest in co-operating in the investigation - which was summarily denied.
The PM has been keeping the Americans informed of the investigation not taking instruction from them! As she will have told them pretty much everything she knows (special relationship and all that) They have also come to the conclusion it was the Russians. Of course the Russians want to help, how else can they manipulate the findings!

Instead, the official UK line is: "We'll carry out the investigation, we'll come to a conclusion that it was you (the Russians) and then we'll tell you (and everyone else) about it". That's proper good diplomacy that is. If the UK gobment is genuinely interested in clearing up the case, why not CC relevant stuff to the Russians, who might actually be able to help with some details?
The UK authorities are investigating a crime on UK soil and will publish their findings in due course. What's the problem with that?

At the moment, everything seems to point to the Russians being the perpetrators, but that's only because any of a whole host of other possibilities have been neither articulated, nor, apparently, followed up. That's not exactly impartial, is it?
As you are clearly privy to the investigation, maybe you could tell us which lines of enquiry have not been followed up. Judging by your posts of late, I don't think you know what the word impartial means.
 
Your ironymetre must be set to very high.
Why do you say that? You have information that the criminal investigation should be aware of?
 

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I must have missed that US direction. Do you have a source or is it simply a figment of your imagination?
Figment of my imagination? Could be, but it's also a question of following the time-line. It's also helpful to recall the narrative of the "PNAC" (Project for a New American Century) cooked up by a bunch of imperialist Septic reactionaries in the 1990s, who genuinely thought the world was theirs for the taking, and in which the successive "conquest" of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Lebanon was a stated objective (with another few countries thrown in for good measure).

The Septics have been quietly fuming about Putin ever since he first deftly out-manoeuvred them in Georgia. Their man on the spot, that there Shashlik-Willie (or however you spell it) was confident that the Septics would back him up if he did a bit of invading. Unfortunately, they bottled it and he was left on his own when Putin (seeing the writing on the wall) swiftly stepped in and ended the charade in a couple of days.

Next up in the Septic long-term plan to completely surround and thus neutralise Russia was Ukraine, where the Septics, by their own admission, spent something like five billion dollaz destabilising the country. They then kicked off a coup to oust the legally elected president of the country, in the hope that they could take over Crimea too and deny the Russian navy their on deep-sea port. Canny Putin was already a couple of moves ahead of them, though, and skillfully organised a referendum in Crimea to bring the place under Russian control.

After the Septics had spent well over a year shifting huge piles of sand from place to place with their pointless bombing in Syria and Iraq, Putin entered the fray (at the express request of the elected leader of Syria, by the way) and within a couple of months had dealt ISIS a reeling blow from which it was unable to recover. The hist is restory - or something like that.

Putin has acutely embarrassed the Septics every step of the way. He's shown them up time and again for the stumbling, clumsy, incompetent amateurs they are. There's no way that the "leaders of the free world" can be exposed as the self-centred, corrupt imperialists they really are, but at the same time they desperately wanted revenge for being made to look like total ghunts in the eyes of rest of the world. Lacking the wherewithall to be able to do anything themselves (apart from incessant propaganda), they got in touch with all the lap-dog nations they own and ordered them to use anything at their disposal to discredit Putin (and Russia) in any way they could. Treesa Maybe, being the shockingly shameful, ineffective "leader" she is, obliged them, shouting: "The Russians did it" a scarce ten minutes after your man the Ivan there and his daughter were found poisoned.

Don't forget that the campaign against Russia really kicked into a higher gear after Putin had scotched their ham-fisted plans for Ukraine, when they realised that they were far too inept to prevent Russia gaining more influence in the world. That's when the Septics started calling for sanctions, embargoes, death sentences for all ex-pat Russians, the burning of all Russian books and the renaming of Borscht stew in "freedom soup" (only kidding, in case you had't noticed). In fact, all the sanctions did was to accelerate industrial domestic production in Russia and increase Russian exports to non-aligned countries. They also radically raised the standing and reputation of Russia in those same countries because they admired the way Putin stood up to the Septic bully-boys.

MsG
 
I must have missed that US direction. Do you have a source or is it simply a figment of your imagination?
Figment of my imagination? Could be, but it's also a question of following the time-line. It's also helpful to recall the narrative of the "PNAC" (Project for a New American Century) cooked up by a bunch of imperialist Septic reactionaries in the 1990s, who genuinely thought the world was theirs for the taking, and in which the successive "conquest" of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Lebanon was a stated objective (with another few countries thrown in for good measure).

The Septics have been quietly fuming about Putin ever since he first deftly out-manoeuvred them in Georgia. Their man on the spot, that there Shashlik-Willie (or however you spell it) was confident that the Septics would back him up if he did a bit of invading. Unfortunately, they bottled it and he was left on his own when Putin (seeing the writing on the wall) swiftly stepped in and ended the charade in a couple of days.

Next up in the Septic long-term plan to completely surround and thus neutralise Russia was Ukraine, where the Septics, by their own admission, spent something like five billion dollaz destabilising the country. They then kicked off a coup to oust the legally elected president of the country, in the hope that they could take over Crimea too and deny the Russian navy their on deep-sea port. Canny Putin was already a couple of moves ahead of them, though, and skillfully organised a referendum in Crimea to bring the place under Russian control.

After the Septics had spent well over a year shifting huge piles of sand from place to place with their pointless bombing in Syria and Iraq, Putin entered the fray (at the express request of the elected leader of Syria, by the way) and within a couple of months had dealt ISIS a reeling blow from which it was unable to recover. The hist is restory - or something like that.

Putin has acutely embarrassed the Septics every step of the way. He's shown them up time and again for the stumbling, clumsy, incompetent amateurs they are. There's no way that the "leaders of the free world" can be exposed as the self-centred, corrupt imperialists they really are, but at the same time they desperately wanted revenge for being made to look like total ghunts in the eyes of rest of the world. Lacking the wherewithall to be able to do anything themselves (apart from incessant propaganda), they got in touch with all the lap-dog nations they own and ordered them to use anything at their disposal to discredit Putin (and Russia) in any way they could. Treesa Maybe, being the shockingly shameful, ineffective "leader" she is, obliged them, shouting: "The Russians did it" a scarce ten minutes after your man the Ivan there and his daughter were found poisoned.

Don't forget that the campaign against Russia really kicked into a higher gear after Putin had scotched their ham-fisted plans for Ukraine, when they realised that they were far too inept to prevent Russia gaining more influence in the world. That's when the Septics started calling for sanctions, embargoes, death sentences for all ex-pat Russians, the burning of all Russian books and the renaming of Borscht stew in "freedom soup" (only kidding, in case you had't noticed). In fact, all the sanctions did was to accelerate industrial domestic production in Russia and increase Russian exports to non-aligned countries. They also radically raised the standing and reputation of Russia in those same countries because they admired the way Putin stood up to the Septic bully-boys.

MsG
Are you on a piece work rate for copying and pasting the troll farm’s output Comrade?

Or are you a useful idiot for free?
 
Figment of my imagination? Could be, but it's also a question of following the time-line. It's also helpful to recall the narrative of the "PNAC" (Project for a New American Century) cooked up by a bunch of imperialist Septic reactionaries in the 1990s, who genuinely thought the world was theirs for the taking, and in which the successive "conquest" of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Lebanon was a stated objective (with another few countries thrown in for good measure).
No evidence of the US directing what happens then?
The Septics have been quietly fuming about Putin ever since he first deftly out-manoeuvred them in Georgia. Their man on the spot, that there Shashlik-Willie (or however you spell it) was confident that the Septics would back him up if he did a bit of invading. Unfortunately, they bottled it and he was left on his own when Putin (seeing the writing on the wall) swiftly stepped in and ended the charade in a couple of days.
I think most people without an agenda and more than two brain cells to rub together have been concerned about Putin trying to re-establish the Soviet Union
Next up in the Septic long-term plan to completely surround and thus neutralise Russia was Ukraine, where the Septics, by their own admission, spent something like five billion dollaz destabilising the country. They then kicked off a coup to oust the legally elected president of the country, in the hope that they could take over Crimea too and deny the Russian navy their on deep-sea port. Canny Putin was already a couple of moves ahead of them, though, and skillfully organised a referendum in Crimea to bring the place under Russian control.
Of course, nothing to do with Putin being scared of ‘colour revolutions’ and wanting control over his ‘near abroad’
After the Septics had spent well over a year shifting huge piles of sand from place to place with their pointless bombing in Syria and Iraq, Putin entered the fray (at the express request of the elected leader of Syria, by the way) and within a couple of months had dealt ISIS a reeling blow from which it was unable to recover. The hist is restory - or something like that.
He didn’t target IS and the coalition were there as part of a unanimous UNSC Resolution
Putin has acutely embarrassed the Septics every step of the way. He's shown them up time and again for the stumbling, clumsy, incompetent amateurs they are. There's no way that the "leaders of the free world" can be exposed as the self-centred, corrupt imperialists they really are, but at the same time they desperately wanted revenge for being made to look like total ghunts in the eyes of rest of the world. Lacking the wherewithall to be able to do anything themselves (apart from incessant propaganda), they got in touch with all the lap-dog nations they own and ordered them to use anything at their disposal to discredit Putin (and Russia) in any way they could. Treesa Maybe, being the shockingly shameful, ineffective "leader" she is, obliged them, shouting: "The Russians did it" a scarce ten minutes after your man the Ivan there and his daughter were found poisoned.
Some Russian mercenaries widows may disagree with you
Don't forget that the campaign against Russia really kicked into a higher gear after Putin had scotched their ham-fisted plans for Ukraine, when they realised that they were far too inept to prevent Russia gaining more influence in the world. That's when the Septics started calling for sanctions, embargoes, death sentences for all ex-pat Russians, the burning of all Russian books and the renaming of Borscht stew in "freedom soup" (only kidding, in case you had't noticed). In fact, all the sanctions did was to accelerate industrial domestic production in Russia and increase Russian exports to non-aligned countries. They also radically raised the standing and reputation of Russia in those same countries because they admired the way Putin stood up to the Septic bully-boys.

MsG
Nothing to do with stealing part of a country who’s borders they guaranteed?
 
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Maybe one of these would be useful for all the people towing the company line?
The concept certainly seem's to work everytime till a little bit of sleuthing throws major hurdles in what was only a semi-perfect plan.
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Break with your programing and offer a 3rd choice of the Russians being stitched up.

From the last bastion of journalism- The Mirror.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/reasons-russia-claims-isnt-behind-12202064

Anyone can make anything about anyone but it takes the media and establishment to concrete that lie into the mind of the populous.

2wks on and still zero evidence.
It's taking so long that even if the Russians did do something the vast % are going to doubt HMG.
Not arse though. Many still believe the 45min notice to move/ WMD deception.

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Police appear no nearer finding precisely how Skripals were attacked by nerve agent
(But it was definitely the Russians)
Police appear no nearer finding precisely how Skripals were attacked by nerve agent

Rule Britannia and good on May, she may well struggle to stop t$rrorists re-entering the UK but she can analyse an unknown chemical, boot out 23 Russian diplomats and create a new cold war in single figs....
FML you're dull.
 
Maybe one of these would be useful for all the people towing the company line?
The concept certainly seem's to work everytime till a little bit of sleuthing throws major hurdles in what was only a semi-perfect plan.
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It’s toeing the line: Toe the line - Wikipedia

If you start with an impartial bias, we have a nerve agent used on U.K. soil, 3 injured, two unlikely to survive and a DS who may have life changing injuries. So far the U.K. have said the Russian govt is ‘highly likely to be involved’ with backdrops of numerous other actions.

All we’ve seen from Russia is outrage, obfuscation, denial etc pushed by the ‘useful idiots’ much like MH17. So we await the OPCW investigation.
 
It’s toeing the line: Toe the line - Wikipedia

If you start with an impartial bias, we have a nerve agent used on U.K. soil, 3 injured, two unlikely to survive and a DS who may have life changing injuries. So far the U.K. have said the Russian govt is ‘highly likely to be involved’ with backdrops of numerous other actions.

All we’ve seen from Russia is outrage, obfuscation, denial etc pushed by the ‘useful idiots’ much like MH17. So we await the OPCW investigation.
Tut, tut still avoiding the big questions I see and just attempting to distract and deflect?
You know the game is up but your ego can't handle it.
Harden up lap-dog
 
Tut, tut still avoiding the big questions I see and just attempting to distract and deflect?
You know the game is up but your ego can't handle it.
Harden up lap-dog
What big questions?

There has been attempted multiple murder in the UK with a Russian nerve agent
Either the Russians did it or they let somebody else obtain their nerve agent.


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Tut, tut still avoiding the big questions I see and just attempting to distract and deflect?
What ‘big question’? The trial for treason revealed their existence and binary CW has been about for years
You know the game is up but your ego can't handle it.
I prefer facts to conspiracy theories thanks.
Harden up lap-dog
I prefer ‘poodle’ but ‘lap dog’ will do.
 
What big questions?

There has been attempted multiple murder in the UK with a Russian nerve agent
Either the Russians did it or they let somebody else obtain their nerve agent.


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Go back to #283 and continue reading down.
In your own time go on.
Read everything, digest it then inform everyone as to your opinion.
Nobody is going near it as it blows the official HMG line to pieces.
Many have tried come-backs but just ended up deflecting and distracting.
No points for non-inquisitive minds especially with something as potentially serious as this whole scenario.
 
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