News story: Dambusters to be first Lightning II squadron

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Ministry of Defence said:
The Lightning II is the short take-off and vertical landing UK variant of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter – a supersonic multi-role stealth aircraft with the ability to operate from land or sea.
Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Dalton, made today’s announcement at a Royal United Services Institute conference on air power.
In a speech to senior representatives of air forces from around the world, Sir Stephen explained that 617 Squadron, known as the ‘Dambusters’, are to disband on 1 April 2014 as part of the planned drawdown of the Tornado GR4 Force. The squadron will then reform in 2016 with both RAF and Royal Navy personnel and take delivery of the highly advanced Lightning II.

617 Squadron badge (stock image) [Picture: Crown copyright]The next Lightning II squadron to stand up will carry a Royal Navy squadron number but be similarly jointly manned.
Air Chief Marshal Dalton said:
I am delighted to announce that 617 Squadron’s outstanding contribution to the United Kingdom’s air power, past and present, will unequivocally continue when it reforms as the UK’s first operational F-35B Lightning II squadron.
The Lightning’s state-of-the-art stealth and precision target capabilities and the battle-proven Typhoon Force will complement each other and set the baseline for UK combat intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance air power as a contemporary global force for the 2020s and beyond.
Lightning will be operated jointly by Royal Air Force and Fleet Air Arm pilots from land or from the Queen Elizabeth Class carrier – overall, a hugely flexible and futuristic joint capability.


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Clearly they have had the top cover to survive, very political...RAF PR/Protection machine

Remind me again why we are chopping Regiments like the Argylls, et al, who have distinguished themselves throughout history!
 
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In a speech to senior representatives of air forces from around the world, Sir Stephen explained that 617 Squadron, known as the ‘Dambusters’, are to disband on 1 April 2014 as part of the planned drawdown of the Tornado GR4 Force. The squadron will then reform in 2016 with both RAF and Royal Navy personnel and take delivery of the highly advanced Lightning II.

So...a squadron which won't exist for two years will be equipped with an aircraft we don't have in order to counter threats we don't know about on ops we don't know will happen.

How reassuring.

Let's hope nothing happens before 2016 eh?

Rodney2q
 
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Clearly they have had the top cover to survive, very political...RAF PR/Protection machine

Remind me again why we are chopping Regiments like the Argylls, et al, who have distinguished themselves throughout history!
We're not, 5 Scots are being kept as a company sized ceremonial unit for political reasons.
 
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More smoke & mirror bullshit from the MoD...Six Foot Shit WONT be the first F-35 squadron,17Sqn (my old Squadron at Bruggen) will be the first F-35 squadron,doing the same job they did with the Typhoon as an OCU/Evaluation unit,and they have already been disbanded in March this year in readyness for (if) the thing comes into service....
But hey-ho,don't let the MoD get the facts correct when they could spin the news by having a more famous Squadron take the lead...
 
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More smoke & mirror bullshit from the MoD...Six Foot Shit WONT be the first F-35 squadron,17Sqn (my old Squadron at Bruggen) will be the first F-35 squadron,doing the same job they did with the Typhoon as an OCU/Evaluation unit,and they have already been disbanded in March this year in readyness for (if) the thing comes into service....
But hey-ho,don't let the MoD get the facts correct when they could spin the news by having a more famous Squadron take the lead...
More to the point, if 617 is stood down, what happens to the aircraft - how few Tonkas will we be left with whilst this masterpiece of PR is under way?
 
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More to the point, if 617 is stood down, what happens to the aircraft - how few Tonkas will we be left with whilst this masterpiece of PR is under way?
They'll be absorbed into other squadrons,a trend that has increased over the years since,unlike when I was on 17 when,say Tornado XV123 belonged to 17sqn & was flown by only 17sqn crews,the majority of aircraft now are pooled,so even if you see a 617 sqn jet running thru the Mach Loop,it may be crewed by bods from 31Sqn for example.
 
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They'll be absorbed into other squadrons,a trend that has increased over the years since,unlike when I was on 17 when,say Tornado XV123 belonged to 17sqn & was flown by only 17sqn crews,the majority of aircraft now are pooled,so even if you see a 617 sqn jet running thru the Mach Loop,it may be crewed by bods from 31Sqn for example.
So fleet numbers don't decrease, then? That's some reassurance.
 
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They might by a couple airframes as the'll be some jets that have reached the end of their flying life ect,
Yeah, I get that. It's just that the cynical (realistic?) part of me saw/sees a whole squadron disappearing and another cut being dressed as an enhancement... wouldn't be the first time.
 
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It will be jointed manned by RAF and RN personnel. Let's see if the joint-ness works.
 
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Remind me again why we are chopping Regiments like the Argylls, et al, who have distinguished themselves throughout history!
Because no matter how much Buckie you give them, 5 Scots couldn't carry out an airborne first day strike against double digit SAM defended sites. Their kilts would give them away, a huge radar return apparently.
 
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Because no matter how much Buckie you give them, 5 Scots couldn't carry out an airborne first day strike against double digit SAM defended sites. Their kilts would give them away, a huge radar return apparently.
hahaha.
 

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