News story: British Army’s new air defence missile blasts airborne target by Baltic Sea

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always used to chuckle on exercise at west Raynham, when during jackanory broadcasts the bloodhound force was said to have got x amount of kills yeah!
 
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Most weapon systems have supposed kill ratios which are effectively laboratory tests.. In the field, most western kit breaks down, the Russians have a similar problem as they moved from mass production to more specialist kit (cue the armata).

On the test however I think it unnecessary to do this so close to Russia. Sometimes trying to be strong to a bully can only trigger him more, particularly as they are watching and can see through any jackanory performance reports.
 
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. . . On the test however I think it unnecessary to do this so close to Russia. Sometimes trying to be strong to a bully can only trigger him more, particularly as they are watching and can see through any jackanory performance reports.
Well, no, actually.

Russian meddling and aggression in what it still regards as Greater Russia (the aggressive annexation of Crimea, proxy war in S/E Ukraine) and some huffing and puffing toward the Baltic states would certainly determine a response from NATO/the West.

As an aside, you're not a more cuddlier, lighter KGB are you?
 
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On the test however I think it unnecessary to do this so close to Russia. Sometimes trying to be strong to a bully can only trigger him more, particularly as they are watching and can see through any jackanory performance reports.
Does Russia not conduct weapons tests and exercises near NATO countries? Where was Zapad held last year? What does it mean?
 

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Thank you. I was going to respond by asking what the pinpointing/targeting capability is/was.
As I understand it - very broadly similar to TLAM: inertial (with assistance) navigation by waypoint, with the option of image-comparison homing for terminal guidance.

Very accurate and effective on fixed targets, known location, with decent imagery available (like the bunkers it was primarily designed for, which don't get up and walk around) if you know where the target is: but no capability for "somewhere in this vicinity..." and no good at "it was here an hour ago..."
 
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On the test however I think it unnecessary to do this so close to Russia.
When I read the OP I assumed they took it to the Baltic coast of Germany to test for the same reasons von Braun took his toy box there - it's out of the way, not particularly densely populated and the big wet bit you're launching over is comparatively light in traffic and so easy/less of a public inconvenience to control. Try testing them on the UK coast and there's a good chance your drone wreckage or duff missile will land on something nautical and knack it.

There may also be some economic and/or joint venture or NATO evaluation reason for going there, too?

Anyone with insight care to confirm/deny/elaborate?
 
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When I read the OP I assumed they took it to the Baltic coast of Germany to test for the same reasons von Braun took his toy box there - it's out of the way, not particularly densely populated and the big wet bit you're launching over is comparatively light in traffic and so easy/less of a public inconvenience to control. Try testing them on the UK coast and there's a good chance your drone wreckage or duff missile will land on something nautical and knack it.

There may also be some economic and/or joint venture or NATO evaluation reason for going there, too.

Anyone with insight care to confirm/deny/elaborate?
You think the Baltic has less shipping than the Atlantic off Benbecula? Interesting.
 
#49
You think the Baltic has less shipping than the Atlantic off Benbecula? Interesting.
I never mentioned Benbecula. What's that got to do with the UK testing something on the Baltic instead of in the UK...?
 
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As I understand it - very broadly similar to TLAM: inertial (with assistance) navigation by waypoint, with the option of image-comparison homing for terminal guidance.

Very accurate and effective on fixed targets, known location, with decent imagery available (like the bunkers it was primarily designed for, which don't get up and walk around) if you know where the target is: but no capability for "somewhere in this vicinity..." and no good at "it was here an hour ago..."
Thank you, that was what I was driving at.

Storm Shadow is very good at 'removing' something if you know its location. It's not an ARM, though.
 
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no i am not FSB/KGB and all the modern weapon systems have yet to be tried against an enemy equipped with similar tech to us (Russia/china) so showing your hand to them always seems a bit odd to me.

If we have a clever system then testing should be done out of the way and keep them guessing about our capabilities.
 
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no i am not FSB/KGB and all the modern weapon systems have yet to be tried against an enemy equipped with similar tech to us (Russia/china) so showing your hand to them always seems a bit odd to me.

If we have a clever system then testing should be done out of the way and keep them guessing about our capabilities.
You mean not publish stats and show countries who may be interested in our kit the technology and increase export sales?
 
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national security comes before export sales and our opponents usually manufacture two sets of the same product and ensure the inferior one is the one sold
 
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national security comes before export sales and our opponents usually manufacture two sets of the same product and ensure the inferior one is the one sold
@Graculus please point him to your experience of RAF and RSAF Tornado’s As an example
 
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Does anyone think the US demonstrate there shiniest weapons publically? they are happy to sell there 10-20yrs ago tech, but usually keep the good stuff for the next war.
 
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Why are you shouted by at pigeons?
Does anyone think the US demonstrate there shiniest weapons publically? they are happy to sell there 10-20yrs ago tech, but usually keep the good stuff for the next war.
Ah, you moved from UK to US kit now. Tell us about Patriot PAC3, who has it and who is buying it? Same on PAAC4 and co-development
 
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All I said was weapons testing so close to a potential future enemy seemed overly aggressive and silly on an intelligence level, particularly given any conflict in the Baltics or Ukraine we would lose badly ??

Given the Russian air force is minutes away from the Baltics any air defence system operating there wouldn't last very long in any case.
 

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