New Sea Ceptor missiles to be developed for Royal Navy

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Ministry of Defence said:
The MOD has confirmed the development of a new Royal Navy missile defence system which will be able to intercept and destroy enemy missiles travelling at supersonic speeds.

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#3
More to the point, does anyone think it will be on time? Four years seems like a very short timeframe for developing a weapon.

Good job Sea Wolf has been upgraded: HMS Westminster Is Set to Get Major Seawolf Upgrade | Navy & Maritime Security News at DefenceTalk

“The Seawolf update that is being rolled out across the Type 23s is designed to combat the increasing threat of faster, lower flying and more manouvreable missiles today and also to guard against future advances. The system can now track an object the size of a cricket ball at twice the speed of sound from over 20 miles away and launch two counter missiles
Lets hope that future Sea Wolf support and upgrades do not get cancelled on the "jam tommorow" promise. I feel a strange feeling of nostalgia coming on, and comments about the award winning technology put into Sea Wolf upgrades in the last few years.

Sorry - bad day, feeling a bit low and a bit nostalgic. Didn't the world used to be a simpler and better place...?
 

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Costed at £483 million (which seems very cheap for a new missile system) and due into service in 2016. Wonder how much those targets will be missed by.

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I am from a time when missile defence meant bolting a Bren gun to the bridge wing and having a Chinese laundryman fire it while the rest of us took cover so I am a bit confused. Why do we need this new, new fangled missile when we've just introduced the old, new fangled Sea Viper?

Is Sea Viper too big to fit on a frigate? Will the missiles not fit into the T23 VLS silos?
 

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I am from a time when missile defence meant bolting a Bren gun to the bridge wing and having a Chinese laundryman fire it while the rest of us took cover so I am a bit confused. Why do we need this new, new fangled missile when we've just introduced the old, new fangled Sea Viper?

Is Sea Viper too big to fit on a frigate? Will the missiles not fit into the T23 VLS silos?
Good questions, well asked. It's not the size of the missile but the radar you use. It wouldn't be possible to fit the T23 with the Samson radar (it's too big) so they're installing a cut down version of it for the T23.

Interesting that they've just announced this - this has been in the pipeline (an development) for some time, so it's not 4 years to develop.

Anybody else notice that an area of 500 square miles equals a range of 20-25 miles? Sounds less impressive when you put it that way, but still a significant step up for the T23
 
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Good questions, well asked. It's not the size of the missile but the radar you use. It wouldn't be possible to fit the T23 with the Samson radar (it's too big) so they're installing a cut down version of it for the T23.

Interesting that they've just announced this - this has been in the pipeline (an development) for some time, so it's not 4 years to develop.

Anybody else notice that an area of 500 square miles equals a range of 20-25 miles? Sounds less impressive when you put it that way, but still a significant step up for the T23

From what Ive seen - it actually looks quite good (depending on when its delivered and cost overruns, of course). I understand that it has a limited anti surface capability?
 
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PAAMS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Testing
During its first major warfare sea exercise aboard HMS Daring the ship's Combat Management System crashed while under simulated air attack due to a power failure. The ship lost use of its combat management system, i.e. PAAMS. The ship's crew reverted to use of binoculars to spot incoming airborne threats until the CMS had been restarted.[4]
In 2009 two test firings of PAAMS in the British (Sea Viper) configuration from the Longbow trials barge failed due to "failures in the terminal phase of the engagement." It is believed that "production weaknesses" of Aster 30 missiles were to blame.[5]
On 29 September 2010, the Type 45 destroyer HMS Dauntless successfully identified, tracked and engaged a target drone with the Sea Viper system while at sea. Previously to that the longbow barge had also successfully fired a salvo of Aster 30 missiles at another target drone moving at high speed.[6]
[edit]Capabilities

The PAAMS is designed to allow equipped vessels to protect themselves and escorted vessels against missile and aircraft threats. The PAAMS will also be capable of operating close inshore to provide air defence for ground forces, e.g. amphibious landings.
The PAAMS will provide a step change in capability over current systems, e.g. the Type 42's Sea Dart system which is vulnerable to low level and saturation attacks. The PAAMS Aster missiles were designed from the outset to intercept sea-skimming missiles. Utilising the SYLVER launcher, the PAAMS can launch 8 missiles in 10 seconds. Unlike the Sea Dart, however, the PAAMS has no anti-ship capability.
Hopefully it'll work after testing phase.
 
#11
This is in fact the Navy's sexy new name for the CAMM (Common Anti-air Modular Missile). Which has been under development for years. I would guess the money is for the first production run and integration on the T23s
 
#13
You're all missing the point, missile procurement is all about: free holidays, slap up meals and classy escorts. Whether the missiles are needed, or indeed are already in service under another name is a mere triviality.
 
#16
Sea Viper is operational. Daring's off to the Gulf to help protect British interests in a volatile region. Something the Royal Navy has been doing continuously in the region on our behalf since the 1970's


Are you sure she had missiles this time?
 
#19
Sea Vipers all well and good, but… AT just over £1 Million a shot, it's a very expensive way of shooting down Mach 3 cricket balls.

But being serious. Sea Ceptor is a fairly low risk missile that's leveraged off the proven and in service ASRAAM and will give the smaller war canoes a pretty decent anti missile capability out to the horizon.
Tests are pretty much done with Sea Ceptor aka CAAM, and it will be a fairly cheap missile.
Sea Wolf is all well and good, but its rather short range means its a crossed fingers and hope the bugger gets it because it's awfully close weapon.


Interesting MDBA video here including how it will retrofit to T23

[video]http://www.mbda-systems.com/e-catalogue/#/solutions/maritime/40/video[/video]

Woosh bang stuff here

[video=youtube;7oRmGFVLJ08]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oRmGFVLJ08[/video][/QUOTE]


An interesting option with Sea Ceptor is it will apparently be possible to quad pack it into a standard SYLVER VLS cell, so the option to give T45 a significant uplift in it's missile capacity for not much money in theory exists.
Also, as its a fairly simple system, it SHOULD be possible to stuff some Sea Ceptor cells on our new carriers to give them something other than last ditch gun defences against ASM's.




I understand that it has a limited anti surface capability?
Not that I'm aware of in the maritime variant, and it's rather a tiddler, about the same size as a Sidewinder with a 10kg frag warhead. It would be a rather 'expensive' way of throwing something with about the same bang as a 4.5" about the same distance.;P
 

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