New Scrummage Laws

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IRB brings in new scrummaging law

Dr Syd Millar insists the scrum is still an integral part of the game
A new scrummaging rule will be implemented in rugby union next year in an effort to improve safety.
The International Rugby Board has passed a law to bring packs closer and reduce the force on impact.

From 1 January 2007 referees at all levels will implement a new four-stage "crouch, touch, pause, engage" process.

The IRB has been investigating the safety of the scrum following recommendations made by the organisation's medical committee.

But the IRB rejected calls to follow rugby league and "depower" the scrum.

The key difference to the current sequence is that the two props will have to touch their opponent's shoulder.

(This) ensures that the scrum remains a true contest which is important for the game

Jason Leonard
Former England prop

At present the two packs - which at Test level can weigh in the region of 120 stone each - often charge into contact from as much as three feet away.

In addition to the engagement sequence, front rows cannot engage with their head and shoulders lower than their hips.

This is intended to reduce the frequency of collapsed scrums but keep the set-piece competitive.

IRB chairman Dr Syd Millar insisted the contested scrum remained central to the sport.

"An essential element of rugby is its physicality," he said.

"This has to be appropriately balanced with the welfare of participating players and the IRB continues to take such issues very seriously.

"The IRB believes that the contested scrum is an integral part of the game and that rugby is unique in that its playing charter provides the opportunity for individuals of all shapes and sizes to play the game.

"That said, we have taken expert medical and technical advice that indicates that it is now appropriate for the game to adopt a less vigorous scrum engagement sequence."

Former England international Jason Leonard, the world's most capped prop, assisted the Law Project Group in its review of the scrum.

He said: "This new engagement sequence will standardise the distance the two sets of forwards are apart, reduce the collision at engagement and will assist in ensuring that both sets of forwards are at the best horizontal height possible.

"This is crucial to the successful engagement of the scrum.

"With the reduced impact, and forwards at the correct height, we will see an associated improvement in the bind.

"This should also assist in minimising collapsing of the front row. It also ensures that the scrum remains a true contest which is important for the game.

"It in no way impairs both teams' ability to contest for the ball."
I have to be honest and say I had my reservations about how the new law would affect the scrum but it seems to be a sensible solution without 'killing' the purpose of the scrum.

Any thoughts????
 
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The "engage" part of the way the scrim comes together needs to be adjusted. This seems a reasonable way of doing so.
 
#3
This form of scrumagging has been done at Sprog level for years, U-17's and so on.

P
 
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the_guru said:
The "engage" part of the way the scrim comes together needs to be adjusted. This seems a reasonable way of doing so.
I agree.
I'm sure this will be seen as a good approach to reducing long term injuries, and also help to improve the technicalties of scrimmaging.

Also, as JL says, keeping the scrum up is the target in this new rule.

It's frustrating to see collapsed scrums because thick headed props can't get their approach right.....

It will now be a case of power v. power?
 
#5
Not quite, but similar. The important thing is to stop the charge and collision effect, which is often the cause of the most dramtic scrum collapses. It may even be that Referees will issue a command like "Drive" or "Push" or may penalise a side that is obviuosly exerting any kind of pressure before the ball is put in.

As concerning though is the Feeding aspect, as for my money putting the ball at the feet of the second row, does not produce a fair contest. referees must also address this and make it clear to players.
 
#6
So there's obviously going to be a lot more niggling going on in there.
Wonder what options will open up for the hooker once this is implemented.....
 
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Wiraman said:
It's frustrating to see collapsed scrums because thick headed props can't get their approach right.....
"Thick headed props" know exactly what they are doing by not going in square, which is to warp the opposition prop like a pretzel so he can't drive. They need to get former props to teach ref the tricks of the trade, so they can penialise it straight away and cut it out. Friends of mine who play prop always seem to spot whats going on in the front of a scum while I (backrow forward) haven't a scoobie until it colapses!

Outstanding said:
As concerning though is the Feeding aspect, as for my money putting the ball at the feet of the second row, does not produce a fair contest. referees must also address this and make it clear to players.
I heard the commentaor say in the Ireland vs Austrailla match :)D :dance: :clap:) that feeding is to be seriously looked at and penialised this season by the refs, though admittedly there is little evidience of it yet.
 
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Thats quite good as at the lower club levels its how it is done anyway. Any good coach should teach the sholders above hips as matter of course (its been part of the programme for at least 5/6 years on coaching courses).

It derisks it significantly without taking away the trial of strength!

I didn't think i'd say this but well in the IRB, i thought they were joining the "we are too scared to be grownups" brigade but i stand corrected!

OS
 
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Thermo_Man said:
the_guru said:
It's frustrating to see collapsed scrums because thick headed props can't get their approach right.....
"Thick headed props" know exactly what they are doing by not going in square, which is to warp the opposition prop like a pretzel so he can't drive. They need to get former props to teach ref the tricks of the trade, so they can penialise it straight away and cut it out. Friends of mine who play prop always seem to spot whats going on in the front of a scum while I (backrow forward) haven't a scoobie until it colapses!

Wiraman said:
As concerning though is the Feeding aspect, as for my money putting the ball at the feet of the second row, does not produce a fair contest. referees must also address this and make it clear to players.
I heard the commentaor say in the Ireland vs Austrailla match :)D :dance: :clap:) that feeding is to be seriously looked at and penialised this season by the refs, though admittedly there is little evidience of it yet.
Don't misquote me. Look at the thread again, then test and adjust.
 
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"Thick headed props" know exactly what they are doing by not going in square, which is to warp the opposition prop like a pretzel so he can't drive. They need to get former props to teach ref the tricks of the trade, so they can penialise it straight away and cut it out. Friends of mine who play prop always seem to spot whats going on in the front of a scum while I (backrow forward) haven't a scoobie until it colapses!.
Having played hooker for 18 years, i can safely say that (most) props are "thick headed". it's when they try and get cocky by not going in square and with their arses up in the clouds that i suffered ! (Literally)

Now that i'm into coaching a youth team, and we're playing 8 man scrums(U15s), the first thing taught is 'shoulders higher than hips'.
 
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About 30 years ago it was normal practice to grab a hold of the opposite prop before engaging. I forget the exact reason that was outlawed, but it had a pretty dramatic effect on the resultant stability of the front row engagement.

This is a sensible idea and long overdue. With my minis and midis I have always taught them to try and get hand on the opposite number when engaging to make sure that they line up properly.
 
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It is contray to The Laws to engage (or set) with heads lower than hips. This is not rally what the RFU are driving at (pun intended). The aim is to reduce the impact, that is unecessarily being created by the two packs colliding. Simply that is not part of the game, it is nothing to do with contesting for the ball, which as you realise is not in play at that time.
 
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as another poster has said it seems to be working well with the young-uns,
no doubt there will be some crying and sulking in the clubs over this, but in the whole i think its a good move for mostly the right reasons.

btw, who are you lot playing for??

http://www.wiganru.com/
 
#17
*stupid double post
 
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Played for Regiment, Weybridge,Staines, and Feltham.....now coaching for the LIARFC U15s.
 
#19
as another poster has said it seems to be working well with the young-uns,
I have always played rugby with the: "crouch (pause) touch (pause) engage" rule.

Although very effective, whilst playing at senior level it did become a bit tedious when the ref brought the pack together for the first and scrum, and went on to explain the scrumaging laws and the words of command he would use for the game.
 
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I have always played rugby with the: "crouch (pause) touch (pause) engage" rule.

Although very effective, whilst playing at senior level it did become a bit tedious when the ref brought the pack together for the first and scrum, and went on to explain the scrumaging laws and the words of command he would use for the game.[/quote]

I can't be arsed to listen to ref's rambling on, i am far too absorbed in snarling obscenities at the opposition front row ("how's ya wife and my kids" etc.....)
 

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