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New Royal Marines unit stands up in Scotland

#2
RM must be massive now...

First 30 Cdo, now the return of 43 to fill the orbat.

Oh, wait. 30 was a rebranding of the 3 Cdo Bde HQ and Signals Sqn, and 43 is merely the renaming (again) of what was Commachio (hence the importance of the day it was reformed)...

Also interesting to note that Commachio/Fleet Prot Gp have always continued the traditions of 43 Cdo.

Still, it sounds like the RM are expanding and are not stagnating even in the absence of actual growth... how many ships doe the RN have now? Mybe they could start naming the Starboard side one thing, and the Port side something else... Double the boats!!!

'The RN report HMS Daring and HMS Decoy are sailing to waters of danger'
 
#4
Ministry of Defence said:
Among the decorations awarded were the Long Service and Good Conduct medal, awarded by the Government to members of the Armed Forces with 15 years of reckonable service; the Iraq medal; and the NATO African medal.
Sounds wrong to me - I thought that they came from the boss? Another PR bod who doesn't really get the organisation she's supposed to work for?
 
#5
So FPGRM have been rebranded. What does this actually achieve? Its not like they will be a Commando like 40, 42, or 45 is it?

It is interesting that they will now come under the command of 3 Cdo Bde.
 

Guns

ADC
Moderator
Book Reviewer
#9
My understanding is that now the unit is 4 Companies strong and has the same manpower as the other Cdo units it made sense to give it a Cdo designator. Also FPGRM is a bit of a mouthful so it is easier for Royal to say 43 instead.

I will ask around and see the real reason.
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
My understanding is that now the unit is 4 Companies strong and has the same manpower as the other Cdo units it made sense to give it a Cdo designator. Also FPGRM is a bit of a mouthful so it is easier for Royal to say 43 instead.

I will ask around and see the real reason.
Be interesting to hear why its been expanded (especially when the numbers of ships and bases has reduced). Has the units role expanded as well? Has manpower from other smaller (possibly at risk of disbandment) units been suffled into it? Or has- hardest to believe of all- it been decided that we actually need more elite infantry and funds will be found from somehwere even if it means the the MoD's Humphry Appleby doesn't get his office redecorated??? ;-)
 

Guns

ADC
Moderator
Book Reviewer
#12
You have O Sqn - responsible for static security at Faslane and Coulport for the Nuclear Deterrent. R Sqn provided nuclear deterrent when moved by land or sea (up to the SSBN diving). S Sqn is the Boarding Team, Maritime Sniper Teams and Counter Piracy teams plus other specialist skills teams. P Sqn provides Force Protection to Minor War Vessels, RFAs and charted shipping (it is manned by RN personnel). In all it is about 760 strong and has close ties to the USMC units doing the same jobs. A lot of different and ad hoc units have been wrapped up and with P Sqn now having allocated manpower were as before it was cobbled together when the need arose.
 
#14
RM must be massive now...

First 30 Cdo, now the return of 43 to fill the orbat.

Oh, wait. 30 was a rebranding of the 3 Cdo Bde HQ and Signals Sqn, and 43 is merely the renaming (again) of what was Commachio (hence the importance of the day it was reformed)...

Also interesting to note that Commachio/Fleet Prot Gp have always continued the traditions of 43 Cdo.

Still, it sounds like the RM are expanding and are not stagnating even in the absence of actual growth... how many ships doe the RN have now? Mybe they could start naming the Starboard side one thing, and the Port side something else... Double the boats!!!

'The RN report HMS Daring and HMS Decoy are sailing to waters of danger'
It does sort of send out that message to the world, RM is expanding even though everyone else is having to reduce/cutback (only to the "untrained eye" of course). Good use of smoke and mirrors by someone?
 
#15
The only 'benefits' I can see to bringing 'Four Three' into the brigade are political. With all the talk of discontinuing Trident, the Corps can turn round and say FPG is also a deployable part of the brigade and shield the unit from talks of cuts?
 
#16
When I was attached to 3 Cdo on a Herrick Tour the lads talked of the brigade wanting to be totally self-sufficient like USMC. No pongos like Commando Log and away from the Navy even. Rumours about them using the ATV's at the time which the army left behind in Bastion as un-safe where part of the rumour - some sort of funding being made available to Royal by the manufacturer to add to the coffers.
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
#17
My lay interpretation from my armchair of this 43 business is that it is to do with reducing management overhead by consolidating some private armies in to one body. Just a guess.
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
My lay interpretation from my armchair of this 43 business is that it is to do with reducing management overhead by consolidating some private armies in to one body. Just a guess.
From the explination Guns provided thats what it sounds like to me.[cynical] Or (in the byzantine Yes Minister kind of way) brings lots of small and occasionally ad hoc units together allows a whole new layer of management/HQ to be recruited thus meaning jobs for the boys! ;-)

[/cynical]
 
#20
RM will never be able to field a force like the USMC...

They are too small. They will ALWAYS have to bring in skills from the other services... USMC are about the same size as the UK Armed Forces!!!

Beside USMC Chaplains and medics have been, and always will be, Navy.

And, just like the RM the USMC 'specialists' of fcuking bonk. Hence my cutting around on Herrick sorting out comms and gene platform faults on kit i'd never used before*. Whilst the civvie contractors (deployed out to FOBs) and USMC comms guys scratched their heads.

Ditto their tac radios... yes, it was I who fixed their co-ax cables for teh embeded anglicos...

*well it was all cisco etc but I'd never seen the kit built, and certainly not hte A/C and gene trailers.
 

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