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New RFA's to be built in South Korea

#1
BBC reports that the contract for the new MARS ships has gone to Daewoo.

Now, does this really make sense? I understand about value for money etc, but if they were built in the UK then wouldn't a significant proportion of the cost come back into the governments coffers via income tax the wages of the workers, company taxes on the firms and VAT on the goods purchased by those who build the ships? Is this not taken into account?

BBC News - South Korea wins Royal Navy tanker deal worth £452m
 
#2
"Chief of Defence Materiel, Bernard Gray, said: "The MARS tanker is an exceptionally versatile platform; able to simultaneously refuel an aircraft carrier and destroyer whilst undertaking helicopter resupply of other vessels".

So what's new or exceptional about that?
 
#3
"Chief of Defence Materiel, Bernard Gray, said: "The MARS tanker is an exceptionally versatile platform; able to simultaneously refuel an aircraft carrier and destroyer whilst undertaking helicopter resupply of other vessels".

So what's new or exceptional about that?
what about a frigate and a destroyer combo.
 
#4
"Chief of Defence Materiel, Bernard Gray, said: "The MARS tanker is an exceptionally versatile platform; able to simultaneously refuel an aircraft carrier and destroyer whilst undertaking helicopter resupply of other vessels".

So what's new or exceptional about that?
It's suggestive of a multi-tasking capability, so far the only Naval sucesses in this area have involved holding periscope bukakka parties whilst at the same time running submarines aground.
 
#5
So we're ordering some supply boats from the biggest ship building nation, from one of the biggest ship builders.

Somebodies in for a bollocking, where's the bungs and knighthoods?
 
#8
"Chief of Defence Materiel, Bernard Gray, said: "The MARS tanker is an exceptionally versatile platform; able to simultaneously refuel an aircraft carrier and destroyer whilst undertaking helicopter resupply of other vessels".

So what's new or exceptional about that?
Nothing new at all, hifer and fuel RAS from ship to ship is done all the time on fort vic class RFA's. The reason for MARS is that our current RFA tankers are only single hulled which is now illegal.
 
#9
"…Shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy said the move was "more bad news for British industry" …"

Yes, it will be bloody bad news for British Industry.

Why? Because 'British Industry' is about to be shown for the shysters they are when as usual, with Korean built ships, these ones turn up on time, on budget and 100% fit for service.
 
#10
Nothing new at all, hifer and fuel RAS from ship to ship is done all the time on fort vic class RFA's. The reason for MARS is that our current RFA tankers are only single hulled which is now illegal.
To be fair, they've been illegal for years. Give CDM a break - he's a commercial suit who wouldn't know a MARS tanker if he fell overboard from one.
 
#13
Bloody hell! It'll be delivered on time, on budget and fit for purpose. Can't have that.
In a way I can sympathise with your little knock at the British ship building industry. No doubt you won't complain when you see all those fellahs who were previously employed in our ship building industry on the dole on your dime?

Talking of a dime, how many American ships are built in Korea or anywhere else in the world other than America itself?
 
#14
Talking of a dime, how many American ships are built in Korea or anywhere else in the world other than America itself?


The Yanks have a big enough defence industry to support (just about) domestic shipbuilding. We don't. Ask yourself how many civil-flagged vessels are built in the US. Not very bloody many.
 
#15
The Yanks have a big enough defence industry to support (just about) domestic shipbuilding. We don't. Ask yourself how many civil-flagged vessels are built in the US. Not very bloody many.
Well here's four 200 metre RFA ships that will be essential to our maritime defence capability that won't be built here and nearly half a billion quid that won't be coming to British industry.

I'm amazed we didn't place the construction of our new aircraft carriers with a foreign builder...... Oh sorry, different government. My bad!
 

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#16
These ships went to full competition because the military yards (read BAE) didn't have capacity to build these at the same time as other warships. Of the 6 initial bidders only one was a British company and they were proposing to build the hull in the far east. In the end the only bidders left were Korean and Italian. The prices from various yards from the last attempt at competition are a poorly-kept secret. The MOD this time round are getting 4 ships for the less than the price they would have paid the cheapest European yard for 3 ships.

Let's face it, even if MOD bought these from a British yard, with extra money to pay the increased costs of doing so, it would not generate a revival in British shipbuilding, not even for export of this class. They'd still be outpriced and outdelivered by Korean and other yards in Asia and eastern Europe. So we'd spunk our money away keep a yard open for these ships and then what? Do it again? We tried that in the 70s and look where it got us.
 
#17
Build them where? UK yards capacity is fully employed with T45, the carriers, Astute.

We retain the level of strategic capacity we need, and choose not to subsidise the building of ships that can be built better and faster elsewhere. The alternative is that we go back to having too many yards competing for not enough work.
 
#19
In a way I can sympathise with your little knock at the British ship building industry. No doubt you won't complain when you see all those fellahs who were previously employed in our ship building industry on the dole on your dime?

Talking of a dime, how many American ships are built in Korea or anywhere else in the world other than America itself?
Well our last UK RFA build was such a success, wasn't it? LSD(A), late, massively overbudget and delivered full of faults.
 

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